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This is an update on the changes to the Broads Authority moorings at Beccles.

Just to recap, there are BA moorings on the north and south banks of the Waveney at Beccles, immediately downstream of the bypass road bridge. Both of these moorings had signs, restricting their use to vessels unable to proceed beyond the bridge (which has a clearance at AHW of 12’). The rangers had been issuing official written warnings to 'offenders'. The original thread can be found here

The BA regulate mooring by means of the Navigation Byelaws 1995, byelaws 57 to 67 to be specific. Byelaw 59(1) permits the BA to prohibit ALL mooring at a place and 59(2) permits the BA to restrict a place for the use of sailing vessels only. There is NO byelaw which permits the BA to restrict mooring to any other class or description of vessel. There has been talk of a Section 106 agreement in relation to the Beccles moorings, but, despite a diligent search by the BA, no evidence of such an agreement has been found.

A complaint was made to the BA that the restriction at Beccles was unlawful. Following that complaint, the legal advice that the BA were given by their own solicitor was that the BA ”could not enforce the size criteria by the use of the byelaw.” However, the Chief Executive did not accept that advice, and the complaint  was considered by the Local Government Ombudsman.

The BA agreed to a compromise that the north bank mooring would be changed to a de-masting mooring and the south bank mooring would be split between de-masting, general and restricted mooring. This compromise was enough to convince the LGO that ”...it would not be a good use of public money to pursue this matter further.”

The LGO does not make legal determinations, but advised the complainant that ”If you want to challenge the Authority’s right to restrict the moorings it would be open to you to moor there and then challenge any enforcement action through the courts.”

The mooring posts on the South Bank mooring have now been colour-coded and new signage has been installed to explain the code. Basically, when approaching up-river, the first 5 yards have green topping on the posts (mooring for demasting only). The next 25 yards have yellow topping (reserved mooring for vessels that can’t get through the bridge) and the final 25 yards have red topping (for general mooring). All measurements are approximate.

The following photos will make things clearer (I hope).

However, the fact remains that the byelaws do not permit the BA to make a distinction between vessels that can transit the bridge and those that can't, for mooring purposes!


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South bank signage - before and after

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South bank mooring posts - before and after

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Well, in some respects it sounds like a reasonable compromise.  At least there is a fairly decent proportion of the total mooring available for 'general' use by everyone.  For those whose boats really don't fit under, it might be mean to suggest that they couldn't have somewhere to moor  -  perhaps the B.A. could do exactly the same in Wroxham?

Speaking as a saily, under the previous arrangement I was excluded;  my boat WILL fit under the bridge, but ONLY if I stop to put the mast down (mine's a bit complex, so doing it under way is tricky).  Therefore, I could not technically moor before the bridge, because it was all reserved for boats that couldn't.  Yet, I could not go through the bridge, because I could not moor (!).  How long is the North Bank mooring?  I wonder, as there are so few yachts on the South Broads, whether there may be too much bank reserved for us sailies to put our rigs down and up?



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According to the BA web site, the north bank mooring is 21 metres long (approx. 2 moorings), but when I was there taking the photos yesterday, there were three live-aboard boats moored there. A motor cruiser, which had a sailing cruiser double-moored to it and another sailing cruiser.

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Particularly went to the South bank to see what was what, today was a good day to moor there, no boats at all !!
As the pic Paladin's has posted, there is one space for demasting (3 green mooring posts) , 8 yellow posts for boats unable to pass under the bridge (3-4 boats ?) And about the same space/red posts for 24 hour mooring.
On the Norwich side I didn't go over, but I'm sure Mr. P is correct, a couple of demasting spots, today occupied by an inflatable dinghy !

Freeman F23 moored near
Geldeston


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Thanks for posting this Paladine. I agree with JA this does seem a reasonable compromise and an attempt to provide for a variety of river users.

As an aside (sort of) - what would be involved for the BA to change the bye laws?

Danny


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dannyboy, you might like to have a read through this   Smile

http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01817/SN01817.pdf

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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Thank you! Really helpful link - and some bedtime reading... Don't say I don't know how to enjoy myself!

Danny



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