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Paladine
Jan-16-2015 @ 11:35 PM                           Permalink
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"Dr Packman and his cohorts are seeking the triumph of marketing and image over honesty and truth."

It is, unfortunately, a wide-spread practice, and the Broads Authority are only just now catching up. A couple of years ago, I bought an electrical item from a large retailer. My choice was largely based on the very good reputation of the maker. When it went wrong, just out of guarantee, I wrote a complaint to the manufacturer. Their reply was that it was not one of their products. They licenced the use of their name to the retailer, to put on products sourced by the retailer! It was, in effect, an 'own brand'.

I call that deceitful, but it is legal. Needless to say, I will no longer buy products bearing that name, as I won't know whether it is made by the firm whose name it bears or not.

When all is said and done, it will not matter one iota what the Broads are called, if the visitor value isn't there, if the BA don't come up to scratch, it will have been a totally useless exercise.

I think the comment from the NSBA hits the nail right on the head, "To use a wildlife analogy, consider a farmer who keeps chickens and ducks. Whilst they both fly and lay eggs, only the ducks also swim on a pond. Should the farmer “rebrand” the ducks as chickens?

Not only confusing, but it might be decided in the future to drain the duckpond as it is no longer required by “chickens”."


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As anyone who reads posts here will know. I am a fairly consistent supporter of the BA.
This however is wrong.

Either;
1. It is a bit of a con. Pretending to be something it is not.
2. The thin end of the wedge with and end goal of full NP status.
3. The conservation lobby duping the BA into a stance that suits them with further steps to follow in the future. It will not be long before they are saying  "as this is a National Park A, B or C should be stopped."

In truth whether the Broads are called a "National park" or a member of the "National Park family" will make absolutely no difference to visitor numbers or any other issue that makes a jot of difference to the area.

This is a long done deal and nothing we can do will stop it.
You have to give the BA credit for pushing this until they have finally found a way of claiming some justification and (dubious)support for this action.

All that love the Broads should be very worried.




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I think that you are very close to the real situation Excile.
Except for the boating community, be it private or holiday trade there are many many more who would like to see conservation as the No 1 priority for the area. SSSI reported to be in poor condition makes a very convincing argument to limit noisy polluting power boating. I hope that I am wrong but I am convinced that the single agenda conservationist are working on some master plan together that will pay lip service to rights of navigation but will be very much in the ECO vacation sphere of sail, oar and paddle. If you look back over the last fifty years you can see the vast changes there have been in how folk holiday and spend their leisure time. The Broads, the hire trade and boat owners as we see them today are in no way sacrosanct

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Thank you for the link, Paladine. As well as the NSBA, I think the Broads Society are to be congratulated on their the comprehensive response.
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" . . . . the Broads Authority has never suggested that the Sandford Principle as it applies to National Park Park Authorities should apply to the Broads Authority with or without National Park status in law"
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Much as I try to love and trust the BA, it is this sort of statement which causes my hackles to rise. If the BA had National Park status in law, then surely the Sandford Principle would apply, whether the BA suggested it or not.

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" If the BA had National Park status in law, then surely the Sandford Principle would apply, whether the BA suggested it or not."

Shhhhhhhh...we little people are supposed to be too stupid to work that one out. Now you've given the game away  Wink

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Well I still think the best way to stop the empire builder that runs the BA is to have a "Whip Round" and buy him a Knighthood but only with a promise he never utters the word Norfolk again !

George Sims

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Well I still think the best way to stop the empire builder that runs the BA is to have a "Whip Round" and buy him a Knighthood but only with a promise he never utters the word Norfolk again !

George Sims

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Conservation is considered by far the most important purpose of the Broads.
This was copied this from page 14 of the survey that appeared recently,
If this is indeed the case then I fear boating is in effect doomed to play even more of a second fiddle, admittedly this survey is only based on how people perceive the BA, but statistics can be made to talk

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"...but statistics can be made to talk."

Dzign, you have just demonstrated that, by your selective quote from the survey. The complete quote is "Conservation is considered by far the most important purpose of the Broads Authority amongst all audiences, apart from HBOs, who consider the protecting of navigation as most important.

Broadly speaking, the Broads Authority is considered to meet its purposes regarding conservation, but less so regarding promoting opportunities and protecting the interest of navigation"


So that indicates that it is considered that the BA is doing enough towards conservation, important though that responsibility is, but is failing in other areas, particularly protecting the navigation. That should prompt them to put a bit more effort towards the navigation.

However, all this really demonstrates is that there is so much information in the survey results that it can be used selectively to support any agenda. I would be really, really surprised if the BA learnt anything new from it, though.

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As Pally says Lee , or doesn't, its "off the cuff" remarks like that, often wrong, which confuse the whole issue and often, wrongly gives emphasis to an issue, which on examination, isn't an issue at all!!

There is plenty of evidence that part of the cutbacks of a few years ago, the BA made substantial reductions and commitment to its conservation responsibility - part of that slack has been taken up by the Wildlife Trusts and the RSPB of course.

Classic case of better the devil you know as it is the transfer of responsibility away from the BA that will actually, perhaps unintentionally, increase the pressure on navigation.

Often people are very blinkered to the impact of changes and it would help sometimes if people instad of going straight into print, just sat down and thought about the consequences!!! Smile

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That is a very good point Marshman.
It is far safer to have the BA operating things than the RSPB.





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