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Jan-16-2015 @ 7:34 PM                           Permalink
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A decision is set to be made next week on whether the Broads will be named a national park. Broads Authority members will be discussing the proposal following a consultation which resulted in 79% of respondents supporting the move to call the area the Broads National Park. The Broads has equivalent status to the 14 UK national parks but with the additional responsibility of maintaining navigation.....


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Oh dear, I fear the worst.

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The final paragraph of that report reads "The three Broads Authority purposes have equal weight in any decisions made by the Authority and this will continue to be the case if Broads National Park is used for branding. If they approve the recommendation to adopt the term members will also decide whether to resolve not to pursue the ambition in the Broads Plan for the area to become a national park in law." (my emphasis)

That's an interest twist. It has been Dr Packman's declared ambition for many years that the Broads attain full National Park status. While not counting any chickens, I would not be too unhappy for the Broads to be a National Park in name ONLY, if that meant the pursuit of full National Park status, with its implications of the Sandford Principle being applied, was finally laid to rest.

FWIW, I have sent four emails to the North Norfolk MP, Norman Lamb (my local MP) regarding this subject and he hasn't replied to one of them. Roll on May!

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Today, 26 January 2015, I received a reply from Norman Lamb's office (dated 22 January 2015), apologising that their letter of 3 December 2014 had not reached me. Attached were copies of two letters to Mr Lamb. One from Elizabeth Truss, Secretary of State for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, the other from Lord de Mauley, Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for Natural Environment and Science. Both letters were dated 5 November 2014, and both contained identical phrases, so there is obviously a corporate approach to this. Both confirmed the advice given to the Authority by Lord de Mauley that the Broads is not legally a national park and there are no government proposals to change that position.




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He hasn't replied to me either, I'm with you Pally, if Packman/The BA absolutely irreversably dropped the drive for N.P. status I would be more than happy to accept the brand. I still feel the use of the name will be used as a tool towards full status but then I'm a cynic.

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You can always tell somethings up when any 'authority' holds a 'public consultation' over Christmas.   In any event the BA must be seen to be seperate from any 'commercial interest '  something where the term 'Brand Management' is often used. They have no duty towards commercial tourism do they???  

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I've attached a copy of the report of the Chief Executive and Solicitor, which will be presented to the Authority at the meeting on 23 January. In the report, it is stated several times that there is no intention to seek to change the LEGAL status of the Broads. So I will be keeping a copy...just in case!

It is worth reading (although a bit heavy going, at times) and it is apparent that 'spin' is alive and well. There is a table referring to the consultation process, which, at a glance, suggests that 79% of the 158 consultees support the proposal. A quick analysis shows that a) only 34% of the consultees (53 in number) replied and b) it is 79% of the respondees (42 in number) that support the proposal. One was the RSPB (who stated they want the Sandford Principle introduced), another was the Campaign for National Parks, another was National Parks UK, and then there were 10 National Parks. The 'support' of consultees such as the RYA, the British Marine Federation and the British Hire Boat Federation was totally conditional on there being no attempt to change the legal status of the Broads.

The final page in the document is a letter from Lord de Mauley, setting out the position of Defra and the Government, which is that the Broads is NOT legally a National Park, and they have no intention of changing that position.

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Any decision in favour of adopting the term is. in effect. "Doublespeak"! There is a clear legal definition of a National Park. The Broads does not fit it, so let's call it one anyway!

To quote from 1984
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In our time, political speech and writing are largely the defence of the indefensible… Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness… the great enemy of clear language is insincerity. Where there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns as it were instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms
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I need say no more. Dr Packman and his cohorts are seeking the triumph of marketing and image over honesty and truth. It is altogether a sorry state of affairs.

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"Dr Packman and his cohorts are seeking the triumph of marketing and image over honesty and truth."

It is, unfortunately, a wide-spread practice, and the Broads Authority are only just now catching up. A couple of years ago, I bought an electrical item from a large retailer. My choice was largely based on the very good reputation of the maker. When it went wrong, just out of guarantee, I wrote a complaint to the manufacturer. Their reply was that it was not one of their products. They licenced the use of their name to the retailer, to put on products sourced by the retailer! It was, in effect, an 'own brand'.

I call that deceitful, but it is legal. Needless to say, I will no longer buy products bearing that name, as I won't know whether it is made by the firm whose name it bears or not.

When all is said and done, it will not matter one iota what the Broads are called, if the visitor value isn't there, if the BA don't come up to scratch, it will have been a totally useless exercise.

I think the comment from the NSBA hits the nail right on the head, "To use a wildlife analogy, consider a farmer who keeps chickens and ducks. Whilst they both fly and lay eggs, only the ducks also swim on a pond. Should the farmer “rebrand” the ducks as chickens?

Not only confusing, but it might be decided in the future to drain the duckpond as it is no longer required by “chickens”."


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As anyone who reads posts here will know. I am a fairly consistent supporter of the BA.
This however is wrong.

Either;
1. It is a bit of a con. Pretending to be something it is not.
2. The thin end of the wedge with and end goal of full NP status.
3. The conservation lobby duping the BA into a stance that suits them with further steps to follow in the future. It will not be long before they are saying  "as this is a National Park A, B or C should be stopped."

In truth whether the Broads are called a "National park" or a member of the "National Park family" will make absolutely no difference to visitor numbers or any other issue that makes a jot of difference to the area.

This is a long done deal and nothing we can do will stop it.
You have to give the BA credit for pushing this until they have finally found a way of claiming some justification and (dubious)support for this action.

All that love the Broads should be very worried.




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I think that you are very close to the real situation Excile.
Except for the boating community, be it private or holiday trade there are many many more who would like to see conservation as the No 1 priority for the area. SSSI reported to be in poor condition makes a very convincing argument to limit noisy polluting power boating. I hope that I am wrong but I am convinced that the single agenda conservationist are working on some master plan together that will pay lip service to rights of navigation but will be very much in the ECO vacation sphere of sail, oar and paddle. If you look back over the last fifty years you can see the vast changes there have been in how folk holiday and spend their leisure time. The Broads, the hire trade and boat owners as we see them today are in no way sacrosanct

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