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Advice please, with reference to boats that have electric hook-up for provision of mains power to onboard appliances. The Broads Authority provides a list of electric charging points.   Does anyone know the official rules of use?  Are they provided solely for charging up electrically powered boats?  The instructions for charging are to disconnect all electrical equipment onboard the boat which would indicate that this is the case.  There appears to be no mention of these points for use as electrical hook-up.   It would seem unreasonable for the point to be used for example powering a television set whilst another boater requires it to recharge their electric boat.  Any information would be much appreciated.

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since there are probably fewer electric points than boats capable of using them (but probably more than there are electric boats) I think that using them as you would a caravan electric point to watch tv - boil a kettle etc is no problem, however should someone with an electric boat moor up next to you and request to use the point then I guess etiquette would say you should defer to them, I guess a lot of electric boats will take the precaution to have a splltter cable or plug so they can plug it in then share the point with you, though I havent seen them I understand they have several sockets (I seem to recall hearing some have 2 16A and one 32A socket, so carrying a 32a to 16a socket adaptor might also free up a socket for others to use too.
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the subject has been covered many times, and some people recommend carrying a 32a connector that splits to 2 16a connectors to allow sharing. so try a search and you should find some more info eg - http://www.the-norfolk-broads.co.uk/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=38&Topic=6638
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Originally BA posts were installed to enable the recharging of the massive influx of electrically powered boats that everybody else realized was never going to happen. Whatever there initial purpose nowadays they are used just like a caravan hookup to enable 240v appliances to be operated onboard. And if it means that boats don't need to run engines or noisy generators to make a cup of tea lets hope they start breeding, the more the merrier.

In my personal experience most posts, certainly those at popular locations tend to be the preserve of long stayers despite the 24 hour mooring rule.

As to sharing posts do be careful. Never split a 16 amp supply as you risk overloading it. A 16 amp supply is capable of supplying 3kw of power. Not much shared between 2 boats who decide to run microwave a and kettles simultaneously. Splitting a 32 amp supply is more reasonable but then of course you have to decide how to apportion costs and lets face it we can't even get agreement on double mooring that costs nothing.

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hi all,
i brought up the same subject as paul mentions in he's post about boaters staying more than the 24hr requirement
http://www.the-norfolk-broads.co.uk/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=48&Topic=27290
also heres a link about overloading electric points at moorings
  
http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/broads/live/authority/publications/general-publications/Broad_Sheet_Feb_2012.pdf
steve and vicky

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quote:"......
Never split a 16 amp supply as you risk overloading it
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Not convinced.

I think that the posts have a circuit breaker on each outlet, as well as an RCB, so outlet cannot deliver more than rated current, no matter what is plugged into it.

32A to 16A converters are a different kettle of fish!

David

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quote:"Never split a 16 amp supply as you risk overloading it"


I guess it depends what Paul meant by "overloading" !

Yes, try to simultaneously run two 3kw kettles from one 16 amp post outlet and it will safely trip, because of the "overload" condition. Maybe that's what he meant.

quote:"32A to 16A converters are a different kettle of fish!"

I agree with you completely there David, the previous umpteen discussions on the subject on here still don't leave some people any the wiser.

Even just plugging 16 amp rated cables and fittings into a 32 amp post socket is illegal and potentially dangerous, - unless a 16 amp line fuse is fitted before the split, (which would rather defeat the object)..  Smile  



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quote:"
Even just plugging 16 amp rated cables and fittings into a 32 amp post socket is illegal and potentially dangerous, - unless a 16 amp line fuse is fitted before the split..."

The reason for this, is that the cable and connectors used in the 16 Amp system, are incapable of tripping a 32amp supply in  an overload situation, without overheating the cable, the connector and risking a fire, or exposing bare live terminals as the insulation melts from around the cable.

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I've seen a number of 16 amp set ups plugged into the 32 amp outlets. Regardless of any illegality, would that remain safe provided no more than 3 kw was being drawn from the outlet?

Ken

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