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quote....”British Waterways and the Environment Agency  
Slipways and launching facilities on the waterways that they control are similarly priced....”

quote...”They may well be but you don't pay them an annual toll to have your boat on the water, we are paying double bubble to get on the broads...”

These are quotes from posts in a recent thread about a different subject, so I thought I’d put my musing in a thread of their own, to avoid the wrath of the Mods.
I’ve just had a quick look at the British Waterways website and found these interesting pages.

On the BW/EA waters, even “portable unpowered boats” ie rowing boats, canoes etc., are required to have either a long term licence (12 months) or a short term visitor licence (1 – 7 days or 8 – 14 days).
http://www.britishwaterways.co.uk/license-it/choosing-and-buying-a-licence/standard-licences
http://www.britishwaterways.co.uk/license-it/choosing-and-buying-a-licence/licence-fees

There have been recent comments about reporting unlicensed vessels to the BA. Some people have been for it and some against. BW seem to have addressed this issue by providing an on-line boat checker
http://www.britishwaterways.co.uk/license-it/license-it-or-lose-it/online-boat-checker

I don’t know how well this works in practice, but it would seem to save the BW time and effort in chasing up reports about vessels that are simply not displaying their licences. Is this a facility we, as toll payers, would like to see on the BA website?


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I daren't reply on the slipways thread again, as my posts always seem to provoke  "the wrath of the Mods" , even though the off topic BA bashing has continued afterwards with no further "wrath"...  Wink  


So like Paladine, I'll reply on here instead.


Another pop at the BA "They may well be but you don't pay them an annual toll to have your boat on the water, we are paying double bubble to get on the broads"  is totally inaccurate, yet again.

For many years now, you can't put so much as a small inflatable or canoe on the Canals or EA controlled waters without paying a toll fee, and at a considerably higher rate than the BA charge.

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Here we go again,spurious - at best - 'evidence in support of the BA and its navigation policies.
EA Inland waterways licence allows access to approx 2000 miles of waterways, with hundreds of locks and bridges to be maintained, and in the case of canals, water must come from somewhere.
BA toll? 120 miles (approx), one lock (which I understand makes a charge for a passage)and no bridges. Cost per mile? Work it out! And I wonder how many folk are employed in admin by each authority. Evil Grin

BTW there have been previous threads on this issue - can't be ***** to look it up!

I've spent most of my money on Women, boats and beer - the rest I needlessly squandered.

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Yes indeed Poppy, here we go again....

The crucial point I was trying to make was to correct the wrong statement that Esox made that The Canals and EA waterways are free of tolls for small boats.  They are not, and never have been.

I could bore the hell out of everyone on here again by going over the same old ground again, in that the thousands of miles of EA and BW waterways also have many more toll payers than the BA, but we won't go there, will we....    Wink  

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But then it's a case of how many miles and how many boats, how many aqueducts, tunnels and locks per so many boats? As one who sat on the last but one toll review I can tell you quite categorically that all the comparisons were made, and the toll recommendation included all the relevant conclusions, well, almost all of them. We didn't reckon on Packman raiding the tolls.

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quote:"......
Here we go again,spurious - at best - 'evidence in support of the BA and its navigation policies.
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Strowager, you beat me to it.

No, Poppy, my post was not in support of the BA. It was under the 'Broads Authority Issues' heading in order to keep to the forum 'rules'. A statement was made elsewhere that was incorrect. As a request had been made to keep that thread on topic, I put my response here.

Boating on the BW and EA waterways is not toll free. I've provided links to evidence that. What in that 'evidence' is spurious?


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I think it's good to have choice.

I have the choice of cruising the broads under the fist of the tyrannical BA, or transfer to the BW/EA waterways.

I have chosen the broads  Tinhat

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how can such a sleepy paradise create such passion.

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quote....”British Waterways and the Environment Agency  
Slipways and launching facilities on the waterways that they control are similarly priced....”

quote...”They may well be but you don't pay them an annual toll to have your boat on the water, we are paying double bubble to get on the broads...”

These are quotes from posts in a recent thread about a different subject, so I thought I’d put my musing in a thread of their own, to avoid the wrath of the Mods.
I’ve just had a quick look at the British Waterways website and found these interesting pages.

On the BW/EA waters, even “portable unpowered boats” ie rowing boats, canoes etc., are required to have either a long term licence (12 months) or a short term visitor licence (1 – 7 days or 8 – 14 days).
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My mistake regarding the tolls on BW/EA waters.

But with regards to Paladines statement about tolls required on BW/EA waters it is incorrect that you are required to have a (12 month or visitor licence), unlike the BA you can also get a 3 or 6 month licence which would much better suit people like myself who only use the broads for under 6 months a year October 1st - March 15th but the BA are not prepared to offer us that despite our numerous requests,
As far as the comparison in prices is concerned my boat costs me £71.70 to use on about 120 miles of BA water = 60 pence a mile aprox where as it would cost me £109.10 to use on about 2000 mile of BW/EA water = 5.5 pence a mile, these are both 12 month tolls, now there a real comparison  Playful Wink

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I find "pence per mile" comparisons less relevant when assessing the true cost of boating.

For many years I kept boats on the Canals and the Fens. Because of all the locks, (and their queues), the reality was that most cruises were only a few miles, even when over a weekend.  By comparison, one tends to travel much further on the Broads because there are fewer interruptions to navigation.

Toll costs for the average cruiser on the Canals and EA waterways are around double those on the Broads.

So the practical reality is that I now get much more practical cruising distance for half the money.

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Esox - why do you even bother staying on the Broads? Why
not leave to the fools who like it AND feel able to
cruise without real concern under the tyrannical BA? Wink

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