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"I know more moorings have been provided at Ludham but for those wanting peace and quiet they don't compare.
I can't see many private boats using Ludham for fear of a bashing at high season
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I agree Cap'n.  I much prefer quiet moorings myself, away from Pubs (and Pub-goers Wink  ) and other boats.

The "new" moorings on the Ant though aren't just the busy ones opposite the Staithe, some short sections have been put in past the bend, up near Neaves Mill, well away from the busy and narrow Ludham Bridage section.

Hopefully some of the new quayheaded moorings promised for Fleet Dyke will also be similarly secluded. Smile  

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When we went through yesterday there was one small piece of quay heading left, which was the one i would usually try to moor on, enough room for one boat. Now all the rest has gone I suppose if I wish to moor there I will have to get up with the 6.00am and off we go brigade so I can be there for 10.00am and moored for the rest of the day. As my origional post says this has took a lot of very popular mooring out of the system, what worries me is the pressure it will put on the rest of the moorings on the northern Broads in the height of a busy season. With the amount of quay heading that has dissapeared, there must be at least mooring for 20 boats gone with Fleet dike and the Bure thus putting 20 boats more pressure on the rest of the moorings.

Quite a lot of the reed has been cut from the other bank and chanels cut into the reed, unless they where already there and needed trimming back. It seems a funny time of year to be destroying nesting habitat and wildlife havens.

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Gaz, I am with you totally on this whole thing - not just Fleet Dyke but the BA's "ability" to completely trash wildlife habitat, riverbanks etc.

I have questioned before their "scorched earth" policy (as a member on here once so aptly described it). I personally think they have nothing more than a crude hack it back routine and that the work is carried out with very little care, thought or professional land management skills. I am not criticising the workers on the ground btw - just the programme management. What on earth this does to the wildlife is not worth thinking about!

I fully appreciate that the rivers will clog up if cutting back does not take place, but what the BA does is wanton destruction and inexcusable im my eyes.

Strowager referred to the need for regular "trimming back" but no stretch of the imagination can call it this! I have never forgiven the BA for what they did to The Ant - over zealous or vicious, call it what you like but it was never good in my opinion!

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But it's not the BA, it's the Broadland Flood Alleviation Project run by BESL, for the Envirnoment Agency....

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Ok give me a clue where Fleet Dyke is pls.

Not got my maps out yet.

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hi all ,
i agree about fleet dyke , was no real reason to do that much cut back and away with the nice , quiet mooring areas ,
river ant , well i disagree with karen on that issuse , i think they've done a great job over the past few years , it was bad , trees desparately needed cut back , dangerous quey side , timber / metal edges , was in a very bad state , but now looks all nice , safe ,

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fleet dyke is opposite st bennetsaby leading to st walsham broad

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I agree in principle that things need to be managed and kept in control, tidied up etc but its the totally destructive hacking that I disagree with!

I am aware of  BESL involvement, but I recall being told that all the cutting back and pulling out (of anything that grows) on The Ant a year or two back was down to the BA. If I am wrong, and they had nowt to do with it, I stand corrected. Doesn't make the job done any better though!

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"I recall being told that all the cutting back and pulling out (of anything that grows) on The Ant a year or two back was down to the BA"

No nothing to do with the BA, it was BESL, for the Environment Agency, as this sign beside the Ant in 2006 shows.

I agree it looks "totally destructive", but it isn't just being done to clear the rivers, it's a complete realignment of the river banks, to provide flood protection for the land.


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I know all about the flood defence works and as I said, no prob with that. And if it was not the BA who pulled up all the vegetation then my info at the time was wrong  and I said I would acknowledge my mistake re that particular hatchet job and the damage to wildlife.

So, having got myself in hot water by making reference to another isssue that I thought was relative to this one  Blush  , let's get back on topic and stick to the Fleet Dyke devastation! Whoever is responsible (I'll say it that way...), it's a poor job in my opinion and I stick by all my other comments about it.

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I really don't want to sound argumentative over this (honest Smile  ), and I can understand completely why people are horrified at the apparent wholesale destruction of so much Idyllic Broadland riverside scenery.

The fact remains however, that due to ground sinking, our island tilting, global warming, or sea level rising, (call it what you will, whatever the real cause is Wink  ), river levels were rising more than ever before, necessitating bank protection throughout the system on a scale never experienced before in their hundreds of years of the Broads existence.

To counter the gradual erosion of the banks by boat wash, new flood banks have been created a few metres behind the existing river banks, together with new soke drainage dykes.  Once they were in, the existing hard edged river banks were scurfed down to water level and angled, to absorb boat wash waves naturally, rather than bounce them back. The East bank of the Ant was done 5 years ago, and the reeds and other vegetation have already recovered, providing a much wider and more sustainable wildlife habitat. An alternative could have been continuous concrete or sheet steel piling, but that would have destroyed the whole natural appearance of the rivers for ever.  

In view of the major changes required to achieve this, and the huge quantities of earth moved, it couldn't be done without looking like "scorched earth" in the very early stages, since the existing river bank had to be lowered and completely reshaped.

Fortunately, because it's taking 20 years, BESL have not done both sides of the river at the same time, but have allowed one side to recover it's appearance and wildlife habitat before starting the other side, as with the 5 year gap between the works on each side of the River Ant.

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