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Planning has to apply to everyone. The rules are there, and to be fair to all they have to be policed.

An alternative system would be to remove all restrictions and leave us all to get on with it.
At times that system would have suited me just fine. No restrictions and I would be very considerably better off financially. However if someone wanted to build a monstrosity next door to me I am sure that I would not be so relaxed about that system.

If the rules are there we just have to accept it. No one is above the law.


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But Exile, I can agree with what you're saying until you consider this case.

Planning permission is for buildings....this is a boat.  The BA are going
through this because they don't like what it looks like.  This is trying to
prove that a boat *isn't* a boat to suit their own agenda.

Insert cr*p joke here

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Sorry Manko, I have some sympathy with liveaboards on the Broads, and agree that the rules are too strict.

In this case though, I agree with Andy, Dave & Exile, this dwelling may be "floating", but it's far from being most people's description of being a "boat".

I well-maintained houseboat is a very pleasant sight when appropriate to the setting, and adds interest to the riverside scene.


This one is not.  It looks like something on the Yangtze...


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a boat,as defuined at dictionary.com
quote:"......
a vessel for transport by water, constructed to provide buoyancy by excluding water and shaped to give stability and permit propulsion. ...
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this eyesore only meets one of the above criteria."constructed to provide buoyancy"

i never knock liveaboards as i hope to become one,but if boatyards have to have planning permission for their houseboats then so should this and the location is unsuitable for this type of craft.most houseboats are along a river or in a basin and can only be vieed from the river.
even the hull looks tatty and unkempt not the best advert for tourism, liveaboards that look conventional as long as they are in good order enhance the scene for the passing trade,this ,i am sure would have a reverse effect.


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It's not a boat because it does not have any means of propulsion.
They had better put an outboard on it quickly.

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A bin bag floats, does that make it a boat ?

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If the BA are being hard by saying it's not a boat, are the owners any better for saying it's not a house?

I think any reasonable person would feel this is one of those cases where somebody is trying to twist the rules to suit their own agenda...

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Right, I'm putting my tin hat on here, but whilst I don't necessarily feel this is a boat in the spirit of the word,  my first journey toward Norwich on the river, back in November, showed me a number of boats in vile condition and a number of "chalets" that need a lot of love and care that they're not receiving at present.  This construction (to avoid using either the word house or the word boat) at least appears tidy and is in the time honoured spirit of British eccentricity.

(I admit I have not seen it and cannot picture it in its context, which I feel is relevant to this legal matter.)

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Well my view for what it's worth, if that is a boat I certainly would not want to buy it for cruising the Broads.

I hate to take sides especially against the liveaboards as they have a tough enough time as it is.

So I won't take sides, I'll do the Yorkshire thing and speak as I find, imho that is not a boat and therefore planning regs should apply to it like planning regs apply to the rest of us. Therefore the Ba are correct (imho only) in their present course of action.

And yes I agree I do think the owners of the holiday home are twisting the regs to suit themselves


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Jaguar, AJB, K&M and Broads Ambition all make telling points. This sort of thing just cannot be allowed.
There really is a need for a new policy here.
A limited number of closely regulated, off river liveaboards should be allowed IMHO. Paying council tax and other dues.
I am sure that there are yards that would be willing to accommodate them.
However the Broads authority are probably afraid that if they have any sort of policy to sanction liveaboards that they will be inundated with people stretching the rules. It is often easier just to say no, rather than have to police those that would no doubt flout the details.

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It really is an abhorrent structure, but that is not the point.

It's in an adjacent water, is she licensed as a boat? Is she insured as a boat? Does she have a Boat Safety Certificate? Have the owners registered her as a boat and did the BA accept that registration? There is a toll for houseboats and if the owners did not register her as such then they only have themselves to blame if the BA now claim that she is not a boat. There are a number of pontoon type houseboats on the Broads.

So now the BA has set themselves up as arbiters on boat design, a very dangerous precedent.  

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