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Jul-20-2005 @ 8:54 AM                           Permalink
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Keith, Freako,

As a frequent user of the Yare I have also experienced what you recounted. I echo Boatboy's plea that you report the wakeboarders. I have and the BA seem to be taking it seriously. They are requesting documented evidence if possible (photos or video) and I will certainly be taking my cameras next time. Send a complaint to as many BA people as posible so that they really get the message.

Harry

Just try and keep it on the wet bit dear . . . .

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This really sounds bad.  Sorry to hear of all the problems that these people are causing over there.  

Page 19 and 20 of the Speed Limit Byelaws 1992 covers where and when people can ski/wakeboard, but of course, this doesn't help with the problem.  

Craig

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Sorry to read of your depressing odyssey through our local waters, Keith, but glad that an outsider has brought this to attention. I'm afraid that the upper Middle Yare from Cantley Reach to Postwick Viaduct is rapidly becoming a no-go area for conventional navigators, nature lovers, cyclists, walkers, and all other who are prepared to enjoy broadland without destroying its charm for the rest.
The Wakers seemed to have turned Train Reach into Suicide Alley, and the major match fishing consortium which has taken over the South bank between Rockland and the Langley means that most weekends you'll be running a gauntlet of 35-40 feet carbon rods, accompanied by a chorus of four letter words.
Yes, it seems that this otherwise beautiful section of the Yare Valley has become a concentrated ghetto for all that's worst about human behaviour on the Broads. And while the rest of you may find it preferable to have the social delinquents conveniently crammed into one place, I and others have to live there.
Its not as if we (I certainly don't) regard Wake boarding or match fishing as something inherently wrong.
Wake-boarding is obviously a super sport and very demanding, and I'd be quite happy to have it in my back yard, so long as that 'yard' wasn't less than 200 feet wide and part of a public navigation used by absolute beginners, children and novice hirers. I suppose that goes for the big black pole barmy army as well?
All I can say is: don't let them drive you away. There are signs of hope and it surely can't get much worse. The Wherryman's Way initiative has been a valuable regenerative measure, and the Yare boasts some of the most dedicated ranger staff at the BA. If we we just persuade their bosses to untie their hands and let them do the job?


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As Bill is one of the most regular posters on the forum, I tend to regard his comments with some authority. And I would say I agree with his responses on most topics most of the time. This time However, I think he has it absolutely spot on. There is simply no reason or escuse for the broads being damaged (and our pleasure as well) by Skiers or wakeboarders. They have huge areas of waterways that can be used without upsetting others.

Maybe we really should start making complaints/reporting those that clearly have no intention of protecting the environment of the broads. For God's sake, we are being either discouraged, or stopped from using parts of the waterway to protect the environment and this seems to be policed. Surely that same level of vigilance can be applied to those creating far more destruction.

I have a somewhat biased view about fishermen, so I'll avoind comment on that one Wink

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Jul-20-2005 @ 8:48 PM                           Permalink
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could someone please explain why the river rangers dont put a stop to the wake boarders,and it would seem that the guys on the darkside are singing from the same hym sheet,well said bill !!!

no i said forwards !!! whoops !!

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Just out of curiousity has the BA ever prosecuted for speeding or dangerous handling of river craft?
A google search revealed they do prosecute but for planning infringements or they put out enforcement notices for slipway works.
Couldn't find one mention of speeding prosecutions, and if that is the case until someone ends up in court then surely the abusers of the Broads will continue to abuse as there is no will by the enforcing authority to actually enforce it's own by-laws.
Prosecutions would do 2 things, increase coffers by fines and deter abusers.

In 4 weekends out I have not seen 1 BA launch in the Horning area, pretty hard to enforce when you have no presence......surely the tolls we pay entitle us to a bit of "policing" and to ensure the broads are protected.

In fairness last year we had late night call to the emergency services due to a hire craft doing his utmost best to take out boats moored at Stokesby when it was pitch black (approx 11pm) - the next morning first thing BA were on the phone to us, asking our route for the day and there was a BA launch at Horning ready to take a statement and what a credit Robin was to his job and to himself.


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Marc (osdguy)

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I recall reading about two hire craft users who were proscuted for speeding on the river Ant, I remember thinking how high the fine was, I think somewhere in the region of £4000. I must say I regularly see rangers on river Yare on a daily basis, and actually saw one stop a boat that was not showing a current licence.

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Here's the Twonk who bust my tele.

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Firstly - it's vital everybody keeps reporting these incidents. Water skiers regularly claim their sport is well regulated and that it's just a few rogues who break the law; anybody who navigates the Yare regularly knows differently. You can complain to John Packman, the Chief Executive of the Authority - John.Packman@broads-authority.gov.uk

Secondly - yes, the BA does prosecute. I have personnel knowledge of two convictions of water-hooligans. In the first case, I complained when a guy attacked me with a boat-hook because he objected to yachts tacking (it cost him £600 in fines - and that was several years ago. The fact he had choosen to name his boat "Boozie" probably didn't help him). More recently, a gin-palace was prosecuted when it sped past regatta moorings at Berney Arms, damaging a number of boats and sending people flying across their cabins. More heavy fines.

So it does work - but you must be precise: complain with times, locations, registration numbers - and (if possible) photos.

It also helps if you can complain straight away, so the BA river control centre can divert an inspector to interview the culprits (once they have left their boat, it's not so easy to prove culpability.) Ring 01603 625091. I called a couple of weeks ago: I was put through to a River Inspector (sorry - Navigation Ranger) and was able to give him a running commentary of damage been done to my boat as it actually happened. Within twenty minutes he was speaking to the ski-boat involved.

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