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Wildly excited about our first trip to broads - 20-27 March. Husband, me, 10, 5 and 6 month old, renting 'Brink of Joy'. Very limited boat experience. Looking for insider tips.
Mad S&A fans, both of books and old TV films, so interested in boats and locations from both.
Also birds, other nature and old buildings.
So far, I was thinking:
Belaugh first (half) day, in search of "Death and Glory" and unspoilt bits of river
Horning and The Swan
Teach kids to row on Ranworth, visit St Helens
Trip up the Ant - Toad Hole cottage, Gays Staithe, maybe bearded tits on the broad?
Ludham - church, Hunters Yard in search of "Teasel"
Potter (what do we do there?)
Hickling - birdwatching, mud anchor overnight?
Horsey mere - walk over to the sea (how long?), visit Great Barn

I would be so grateful if people could point out the flaws in this plan, the great stuff we'll be passing right by and missing, etc. Is this too far/too much stuff for a week?
Are there places to get water up the Ant and Thurne?
Is mud weighting/wild mooring overnight feasible for beginners? If not, what are the wildest non-wild mooring places? Where would you spend the nights with this itinerary?
Easiest places to buy supplies?
Any super-local tips for spotting bitterns, barn owls, "beardies", otters, seals?
Steering clear of south broads for now (scary!) and walking more limited than usual because of heavy baby not willing to be transported anywhere but strapped to my front...
Thanks!


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Where to begin……..
Firstly, I think you are going to be short of room with
5 of you on board! Plan to leave any cases and bags
with your car as there's very little room to store
them on board!
Going to Belaugh for the first night should be ok as
the boat should pass under the bridge most of the
time. Ask the Barnes instructor if he will take you
through after you’ve had your trial run. It will save
having to wait for the bridge pilot to take you
through, as ALL hire boats are required to use the
pilot!
The other destinations are do-able except Hickling
which needs the boat to go through Potter Heigham
Bridge, which again, you have to use the Bridge Pilot,
and they have the last say as to will-it or won’t-it
and you have to know that you can get back too!
What to do in Potter? Lathams of course!!
All the things you did’nt know you wanted, and then
later you realise you did’nt need them after all.
You can get water at all the boat yards and most, but
not all of, the public moorings so shouldn’t be a
problem.
If you want to ‘wild moor’, do it! But go in very
slowly in case there are obstruction below the
waterline but if it looks well used, you shouldn’t
have a problem. Just remember NOT to jump off the boat
to tie up, especially onto grassy banks or you could
end up slipping into the water or twisting/breaking
an ankle due to the wildlife digging holes out of
sight!
Just take it easy and obey the speed limits and you’ll
be fine.
If there’s anything you are unsure of after your trial
run, ask the instructor, especially ‘stern-on’ mooring
if he hasn’t shown you how to do it. Don’t be
embarrassed to ask as you’ll be more so if you get it
wrong later! If you struggle to get into a mooring
and someone else is there, ask them if they mind giving
you a hand as you are ‘First timers’ and most people
are more than happy to do it. Besides, it’s a good way to
strike up a conversation with someone you don’t know once
you get tied up!
'Supplies' shouldn't be a problem anywherebut always carry
enough for 1 extra day just in case you don't get to a shop.


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The better I was....!!


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Hi , have a great holiday.

Can't help you with all your questions but know a few answers.

Don't  make a plan that is too rigid, you can always come back again if you miss something. I know of people who have cut short  fantastic activities and adventures just to stick to a plan and quite often  that plan doesnt work particularly when access under potter bridge is involved.

It is possible to have to wait several days for sufficient bridge width at potter . I say width on purpose as its not the height that is the main issue it is the width of the cabin top that can restrict passage.

If you get through, horsey is wonderful . It is about a 40 minute walk to the beach but be prepared to have to trek a mile either way when you get there' as the seals don't always oblige by waiting at the gap for admiring sightseers. The NT cafe at the staithe keeps a good notice board and record of sightings that will help you locate the seals or not.

When you mention ludham and hunters please remember you access these from Womack water off the thurne and not ludham bridge on the ant.

Lathams at potter is a bit of an aladins cave and there a lot of boats to look at  but not much more. If you cannot get through the bridge think about hiring a day boat from potter as the trip to horsey is well worthwhile.

I suspect the kids will enjoy salhousevbroad which you do not mention. Great sandy beach and lots of space to run around  which can be a good thing if you have been cooped up in a boat for a few days.

If you are going to beulagh I suggest you keep going to coltishall lock   If you can, the broads at their most magical.

I am sure other more knowledgable folk will be along shortly but I hopecthevabove helps a bit.

Graham

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Welcome to the forum, scarob (or should that be 'Scarab'?)

Some good ideas, and a plan that should not be too ambitious  -  leaving you with plenty to come back for on a future visit.  Bill and Ruby's comments are all good and sound.

If you want to teach the youngsters to row, I presume you are hiring a dinghy with the boat.  Be very careful when mooring stern-on (such as at Ranworth), as you'll need to move the dinghy round to the bow before reversing in.  The Broads should not be at all crowded that week, so you shouldn't have any problems getting a mooring at most of the public staithes.

If you want to mudweight in a broad, it is usually best to be nearer the windward side  -  where the wind is coming from, so that you get some shelter from the trees.  But don't drop the mudweight too close to the edge, allow enough room that you could swing right round if the wind shifted.  I find that waking up in the middle of the stillness and beauty of a broad is a fabulous experience.

There are some 'wild' moorings up the Ant, as well as some public moorings tucked away from civilisation, such as Cockshoot Dyke, Ludham Island, even the two little moorings on the river beside Wroxham Broad.

For seeing elusive wildlife  -  keep your eyes open, and your voices low.  You'll be very lucky indeed to 'bag' your whole list (even in several visits).  For example, I'm told that there is an otter who lives close to where my own boat is moored, but I have yet to see it.  Sometimes there are interesting things to see from the boardwalk at Cockshoot moorings.

And don't bank on getting under Potter Bridge to access Horsey & Hickling (lovely as they are).  I know Barnes' website says 'Passes under all bridges at suitable tides', but they don't say that 'suitable' means very unusually low at Potter.

One other thing to mention, that Dick & Dot never bothered with, is LifeJackets/buoyancy aids.  These days, I wouldn't dream of taking children on water without one  -  but adults need to wear them too, or it's very hard to convince the children to remember to wear them.  Have a basic rule  -  if the boat is moving and you are outside the cabin, you're wearing one.  In a dinghy  -  don't even think about getting in without one.





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Hi


The following is not in your holiday period but if you could manage a weekend trip to Woodbridge in Suffolk you might enjoy it. We are going! You could also visit Pin Mill, another Arthur Ransom location.

http://www.theriverside.co.uk/news_detail.php?id=127



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Nip into Hunters by all means to see "Teasel" but pop next door and see "Sir Garnet" too. Not quite ready for the season I guess but  she will be in the wet shed.

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Wow, thanks: at least a dozen things I absolutely need to know and wouldn't have found out on my own right there. So grateful!

Potter bridge - dismay! I feel a fool for not realising it would be an issue, but on the other hand the hire information is very misleading! I chose the flattest looking boat available. Is there any way of knowing if it will work except just turning up? Can I just ask the boatyard? Would it be a matter of only at absolute low tide even as best case scenario? Can I find out from a tide table how low the tide is? (If so, how?) Do I need a full moon or something, or does onshore wind make a difference? The kids are going to be disappointed (it's a Coot Club journey...the one I thought was more doable than Beccles) so I need to manage expectations. But the fact that it's difficult is sort of making me keener to do it!

It would give us more time for the Ant and Bure, and some more of your suggestions,  if Potter's no go. Will Hoveton Little broad be open then? The idea of mud anchoring overnight is just so exciting, might do it on a different broad every night if it's not windy. Wild anchoring is a little more daunting...are rhond anchors completely reliable even in the hands of a novice, or would you recommend a tree? Drifting off into a river would clearly be scarier than on a broad (where presumably nothing that bad would happen?)

Does time of year make a difference to Potter bridge? I'm actually already toying with thoughts of when we might be able to make a second visit, it sounds so great. Even a second trip including Woodbridge in April seems like a plausible idea.

If the broads live up to the outstanding forum even my high expectations will be justified Smile  Thanks again.


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If Potter isn't doable on the days you are there, you could always hire a day boat which wouldn't be to expensive,

Dave Cheers

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Scarob hi,

Below is an extract from my website.

“Potter Heigham Bridge. You must get the pilot to take the boat through. Although the listings and onboard plaque may indicate that a particular boat is able to pass through all Norfolk Broads bridges, Potter Heigham may only be achievable in ideal tidal conditions. Due to varying river levels even at low water there will often be insufficient clearance under the bridge for an outward and return journey within your holiday period.

If you are planning a trip to Potter Heigham and hoping to get through the bridge I'd suggest ringing ahead of the planned trip i.e. the day before or on the morning to The Phoenix Fleet Pilots Office at Potter Heigham, Tel 07990 686097 or 01692 670460 between 8.30 a.m. and 5.00 p.m.”

Strowager has kindly posted some info on Potter Heigham Bridge including a link to a website   and a formula to work out the bridge height

I’m afraid you will need someone more knowledgeable than me to answer your question “Does time of year make a difference to Potter Bridge?”

I have just started trying to get a picture of Potter bridge heights throughout the year by using Strowager’s formula which I hope I have done correctly.  Confused
So far:
16 Feb 2015 04:30 hours, 9 mins before estimated low water = 7 ft 1 inch
1 March 2015 04:30 hours 29 mins before estimated low water = 6 ft 8 inch

Strowager's post can be found Here

/color]Kind Regards
Alan...
www.mynorfolkbroadsboating.co.uk/

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Unfortunatly or fortunately dependant on your viewpoint  getting under potter bridge isnt always possible, even if the brochere says it will or may. Biggest issue seems to be not height but width, due to the arch / arc of of the bridge.

You maybe lucky but your best bet is to visit or better still go to the pilots office on the board, i would say it was doubtful you will get through on your hireboat. But i can and maybe wrong.

Alternatively hire a dayboat from potter heigham and definatly get under the bridge without any concerns, plenty of choice available at potter heigham, pheonix, herbert woods and maycraft all hire dayboats (there maybe more) possibly your best option.

Under the bridge is truelly magical and well worth the expense of a dayboat.

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