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This evening is the first chance I've had to look into this scam in greater depth.
Clicking on the link does, as Paladine says, download a virus onto your computer. This virus is in the form of Ransomware.
False invoices are accompanied by a link that redirects the user to a malicious file that hijacks user data, encrypting all files and offering recovery code only in exchange for a sum of money.
In light of Spanish holidays being taken at this time of year it is possible that you may receive such an email and believe it to be something to do with your holiday in Spain.

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I get emails from someone who has been dead for 3 years which BT don't seem to be able to do anything about, I also get multiple offers from A1 companies I don't deal with, thats apart from the FBI, HMRC and uncle Tom Cobbley telling me I have been allocated Millions of dollars, pounds etc.

Simple answer if its not in response to something I have initiated I just delete them.

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If I receive any e-mail that for instance requests me to log into a bank account or anything that looks to be an attempt to commit fraud of any type I forward the e-mail to
nfibphishing@city-of-london.pnn.police.uk

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>>>  I forward the e-mail to
nfibphishing@city-of-london.pnn.police.uk  <<<
Which, unfortunately is a complete waste of time. I have had several long and acrimonious discussions with the police, who have now finally admitted to me that an outside company simply electronically scans all the emails and logs them.

I have forwarded thousands of fraudulent emails to City Of London Police, a great many of them being "spiked" with a text by me asking for a simple response - to prove that the email has been seen and read. I have NEVER received a response. When challenged, the Police finally admitted that no human ever reads these emails. The main reason for asking people to forward the emails is to present the "feel-good" factor - i.e. one feels that "something" will be done about the email that has been forwarded to the Police. Forget it! The department 'Action Fraud' in City of London Police is WIDELY known now as IN-Action Fraud! - because they do NOTHING!

The Police have a well rehearsed plan for dealing with persistent complainers such as me, when I question whether or not they actually DO do anything about the 80 million pounds lost to the internet frauds in the UK each year. (Police figures - not mine). they individualise and quote isolated incidents to justify their reluctance to do the job they are paid (by us) to do.

When officers have, on my insistence visited our premises to discuss another 1,000 or so fraudulent emails I've received, they become extremely clever at acting dumb - to such a point that I once said "you really don't know enough about the internet to discuss this!" When they readily agreed to that, I suddenly realised that I had been duped again by THEM - They were off the hook and could chalk up another victory in work avoidance.

The Police do NOT want to get involved with internet fraud. Their persistent inventiveness in creating excuses why they "cannot deal with it" is probably fraudulent itself. I have spent the last three or four years trying to get hundreds of different types of internet fraud made public so that people don't get caught. I tried contacting our MP.  What happened ???  My letter was forwarded to the Police. - The very organisation I was complaining about.

Our Police Service used to be wonderful! Unfortunately now, whilst the Beat Bobby does his/her best under very arduous conditions, the more senior police seem to spend their time plotting work avoidance.

Sorry to rant on about this but it has been a thorn in my side for 4 or 5 years that Internet fraud is on the increase and it so easy to significantly reduce by publicly warning people. For some reason the Police Crime Prevention section don't want to Prevent Crime!!!

Yours, in total 'head banging on a brick wall' frustration.

Malc.

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Jun-23-2016 @ 12:03 PM                           Permalink
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Most scam emails originate overseas and as there is no international cyber law (as yet) that all countries must abide by, the police may believe it is a waste of time as no prosecution will ever take place.
I forward all scam bank emails to the banks themselves; others I just delete without opening.
Sometimes I will look at the source code to see what the contents are and use the meta data to see where it originated from.
With virtually all such emails it is easy to identify scam ones by reading the message. Poor grammar, spelling mistakes, use of both UK and US spelling of words, upper case and lower case letters used incorrectly are just some of the ways to tell fake from real.


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Hi DaveHR,

Exactly what we do as well Smile .  Trouble is, when I contact the Police they witter on about the frauds coming from Russia, Romania, Bulgaria etc., etc. and they say that they cannot pursue the criminals over there. That is very true!

However, my understanding of the phrase "Crime Prevention" is probably too simple f'or the police! My understanding of Crime Prevention is 'to take steps to reduce or eliminate a crime from taking place. The most simple and effective way with these email frauds is publicity!!!  

Almost everybody knows about the dangers of carbon monoxide because it has been well and truly publicised by interested authorities. Very occasionally there is an accident or somebody makes a mistake but generally everybody takes precautions and remains safe.

The Police, however NEVER publish any information warning people about the masses of Fraudulent emails flooding the internet (My business receives over 6,000 per year and rising).

People ARE getting caught and fleeced. The crooks would not continue if the fraud was not working. The Police do NOTHING to prevent these frauds.

You and I have the ability to read email headers and look at source code in attachments inside the security of a virtual system if necessary. The vast majority of people would not have that ability and if conditions are right - they get caught and fleeced. I really don't know how we can force the Police into doing something that will reduce the £80,000,000 lost each year in the UK to Internet Fraud.

Thanks for your input. It is appreciated.

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Malcolm

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Jun-23-2016 @ 6:13 PM                           Permalink
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Rarely, via Facebook, do get a warning from the police. I usually get warnings via IT security web based groups I am a member of but I've not had one about this scam that Paladine brought to our attention.


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Hi Nauticus,

Thanks for the info.  Very disappointing that nothing appears to being done.

I see from the police automated response e-mail that it only states
"The information you have provided will be recorded and held with us in order to contribute to the wider intelligence picture and assist us in considering the most appropriate action required".

I share you frustration and don't know if I will bother forwarding any future dodgy e-mails to the police. Indifferent

Kind Regards
Alan...
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Re Police never giving information to the public, not true in my area, I have joined the "Neighbourhood Watch" and get to know about current scams, local crimes, etc



best regards, Richard.

Can't wait to be back on our boat on
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Hi Boat Mad,

I told a senior Crime prevention Officer that I may consider reporting EVERY fraudulent email I received - and demanding an Incident Number each time.  I was told they would look upon it as "Wasting Police Time!"

My response was - "Fine! Take me to Court so that we can have MY complaints out in the open! - so that EVERYBODY knows that YOU are NOT doing what you are PAID to do". He was visibly shocked! Obviously not expecting that sort of reply!

The common Fraudulent emails we regularly get are :-

The Nigerian Scam. (Scotland Yard's name for it) - somebody who's "relative has died" needs me to help them get several million dollars out of Africa/China/Outer Mongolia/Elsewhere. (this has been going for years - long before computers. Used to be via letters.) the process is long and drawn out and the recipient (you) is eventually asked to help out with fees, and even bribes to keep the wheels oiled to get the money out. Many people have lost their whole life savings hoping to get a share of the fictitious money . If you finally stop playing with them, there will be a lull, then your "contacted" by the "police" of that country who are "attempting to catch the crooks and get your money back for you"! If you bite, the whole charade starts again with "bribe money for informants" or "fees to pay lawyers/judges etc". easy to avoid - don't be greedy!

Account Compromised - Please confirm log-in details and all personal details - Apple, PayPal, Banks, AA, major stores, etc. Easy to avoid. NEVER follow ANY link from ANY email sent to you!!!!! If your bank etc genuinely sends an email with a link, tell them in no uncertain terms that they are PROMOTING Internet Fraud and that you WILL NOT follow the link.

Parcel to be delivered. Usually contains an attachment to be downloaded for confirming address or for re-delivery. Often contains Ransom-ware which encrypts all the saved data on a computer with an encryption which until recently was unbreakable. A message pops up with a mobile phone number and a demand to pay circa £300 - $600 within a certain time-scale. If payment not made contact is lost and saved files remain encrypted. Some months ago somebody in (I believe Norway) managed to crack the encryption and offered FREE codes to victims to salvage their data. Ransom-ware went dead for some time after that, but it appears they are back, possibly with a stronger encryption. Alternatively, there is a link to forged/cloned web site where your private data is requested in order for the parcel to be delivered or for a small "surcharge" to be paid. - so they get your card details! Easy to avoid. We all know how delivery firms work - they usually leave a card in the door. But be aware - there is an organised fraud now and again where a card IS put through your door with a telephone number to call - a small surcharge for re-delivery is paid by you and hey-presto - the crooks have your card details. Again - easy to avoid - almost all delivery firms attempt re-delivery at least once for free. If you are not expecting a parcel - DON'T bite!

Invoice/Statement/Order/Payment Advice Similar to "Parcel" above - will contain either Ransom-ware or malicious scripts, or a link to forged/cloned web site. Easy to avoid - If you already know the company, phone then and ask if they have emailed an invoice to you (We DEMAND that ALL emailed invoices carry OUR Order Number in the subject line and all payments carry our Invoice numbers in the subject line). Otherwise check the company details via the 'phone book or Directory Enquiries (NOT web site) and call them by telephone.

Health Foods/RayBan Sunglasses/Viagra/Stock-Market offers. These take you to Fraudulent web sites, often clones of genuine sites, where your card details (and any other information they can glean) will be lifted from you and used. Easy to avoid - DON'T take the bait!!!

Income Tax/Council Tax rebates (and similar). Quite easy to spot but people still get caught! Usually ask for banking details so that the rebates "can be paid into your bank account". VERY easy to avoid - Inland Revenue and Councils don't work that way!

I could go on, and on, and on. There are plenty of other types . . . but I bet you are bored already Smile

Basically, the golden rule is - Treat EVERY email as suspect - then try to prove it is genuine. Even if you ARE expecting a parcel, DON'T be a dumb fish and take the hook!!!! That is what the crooks count on. If you are NOT 100% certain, either don't open the email or don't open the attachment. Don't worry that by NOT opening the email that you may NOT inherit the $10,000,000 that an unknown relative left you. Greed is the biggest incentive for people to be duped by on-line fraud!

If anyone does have questions, feel free to ask - there are enough of us on here to help you.

Otherwise, Happy surfing  Evil Grin

Malcolm

Blue Skies and Fair Winds
Carol & Malcolm

Coming to the end of a major internal restoration to Dragonfly.


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Before emails, I was always winning the "Reader's Digest Prize Draw" lol

Has anything really changed lol...?

best regards, Richard.

Can't wait to be back on our boat on
the Broads.


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