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I have basically a harvey eastwood 42 x 12 its actually 42.11 'broadminded' and I am wondering about internal layout and how much I have to consider where I put heavy items such as a washing machine etc.
standing at the stern looking to the bow:
Port= gas bottles/clothes storage cupboard/kitchen,fridge,washing machine,cooker/oildrip heater/tv
starboard = engine/batteries/bedroom/toilet-shower/dinning area/couch
So I gather the water tanks/waste are on the starboard, don't know where the diesel tank is.
Do I need to consider the layout in terms of weight to any minute degree? I have just seen an almost identical boat with a full size washing machine on the starboard side and much less weighty items on the port side.
I hope I made some sense to someone, total novice learning as I go, and i am just starting so have not learnt anything yet!
alan
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Hi Alan with weight distribution, any fixed items can go any where ie cooker fridge tv heater battery's these can all be ballasted out, where you have non fixed weight ie fuel, waist tank, fresh water tank, these need to be on the centro line or split in two but connected so as they are depleted they wont affect the trim from side to side, front to rear is not a problem as it wont be noticed, my water tank is in the bows, when full it just lowers the air gap by two inches,what you dont want is as say the water tank is used the boat lays over on one side, and NO the waist and fresh dont cancel them selves out, If you need to balance the trim i fined road bricks/blocks work well, they are small so easy to man handle but dense and cheap and dont rust, another good thing to do is after you have striped the bilges out wash/clean them then give them a couple of coats of bilge paint or egg shell emulsion paint this will help to stop smells and osmosis occurring. John
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Thanks again John that clears things up for me regarding placement of items, its not something I am doing immediately, but as and when its good to know I don't have to have a degree in it. And I will be taking a look at painting the bilges, currently there is a rather musty smell though it is in need of some cleaning and has been sitting empty a little while, also onw of the pumps stopped working so some water has been sitting stagnating a bit.
alan
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Hi Yes common problem some boats empty there shower into the bilges then rely on bilge pump to empty,bilge pumps cant get the last little bit out so!!!! plus not all bilges have free flow to the pump,enjoy. Oh and talking of fridges it can help if you cut holes in the floor under the fridge to allow air circulation. John
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I agree with John.
Also First priority is to get the bilge pumps working even before sorting the mooring. Boats have bilge pumps for a very good reason. It is not to pump out rainwater it is to stop the boat sinking . A broken bilge pump is like a smoke detector without a battery.
On weight distribution don't forget a normal person or two weighs far more than any domestic appliance and therefore bed location is a factor .However Broads boats have flat bottom s and are quite tolerant to weight differences.
I am not sure washing machine location is high up on most boaters to do list . Not because we are a dirty lot but because water storage shortages both fresh and waste occupies so much of our attention that a washing machine becomes a liability .
The most important planning issues apart from bilge and engine are water storage and battery storage and charging capacity
It is most unlikely an elder Broads boat will have sufficient batteries or generating capabilities to meet modern requirements .
Tell me to shut up if you know all this
Graham
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SHUT UP...No you are spot on the boat is being lifted soon to have a anti foul and a condition report at the same time, so will have a good look over it, and have pumped the standing water out it was sitting where the prop shaft is so maybe the (i don't know what its called yet) greaser device was just needed to be in use or the gasket needs some grease on it. But a new pump is going to be put in.
It has a washing machine though I would struggle getting a pair of jeans in it, so was just thinking of longer term.
Power might well be an issue, though have not tested it all out yet, it does have 1 solar panel on it that does give some charge to I think 4 storage batteries, obviously not capable of running to much at present but its an area that I will be looking into updating in the not to distant future
alan
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Ok
Here goes.
Older boats with mains often have it installed as an after thought and it is not integrated with the 12 volt system and inverter nor were they installed to any sort of quality or safety standard. As a result you have some mains sockets that work when connected to shore power and others that work off the inverter . These inverters tend to be underpowered as good inverters were very expensive until quite recently.(around £800 up to ten years ago ).
This type of system is guaranteed to be a nuisance and unreliable if you use the boat a lot and the answer is to design an integrated system .
This starts with uprating the alternator and fitting an intelligent control system and battery charger that automatically switches the sockets from shorepower to good quality inverter when you unplug the shorepower lead .
Batteries deserve a whole chapter to themselves. However to start with one independent engine starter battery and three or four leisure batteries should be fine particularly if you have a solar panel of
100 watts plus.
Enjoy yourself
Graham
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I am not entirely sure on the setup, I am assuming it is separate and as you say the 240 can only be used on shore power, the 1 solar panel is rigged up just to top the batteries up.
I will have to give this some serious study, but as I have said elsewhere I can pretty much turn my hand to anything, so some reading and youtube vids later I should be in a position to at least know what it entails.
1st though gotta find that B***** mooring 
alan
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Absolutely, sorry to distract you .
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Ooh, if you are needing a washing machine I guess it's a fair assumption this is to be a liveaboard?
A residential mooring is very different to a leisure mooring, and requires the appropriate permission ( sought by the land owner) to classify it as such. Just relating this to your other thread about your mooring search.
Karen
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Not sure the OP wants to live aboard, correct me if I am wrong , Alan, but his boat already has a washing machine fitted.
I would be tempted to remove that and free up some space if it isn't a liveaboard any longer.
Anyway, Alan, getting to know your new boat is all part of the fun. Lift up the seats, remove the backs of cupboards, open up the side panels, you'll be amazed at what you find! I was going to fit a Webasto only to find an Eberspacher hiding behind the wardrobe! In fact when we first got our boat I drew a diagram of it and marked on the location of the various pieces of equipment as I found them so in case of emergency or breakdowns I knew where to look for the offending item! Sad git or what? Of course, as you become more familiar with your pride and joy you'll remember where the bits are and since eventually you are going to refit you can put items where you like.
Good advice about the bilge pump though. When we first got our boat there was no shore power and the 12v batteries went flat between visits so although the bilge pump was trying to run the water was coming up through the floor; much more water on board and we could have sunk! Connection to the National Grid and a decent charger for the batteries sorted that.
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