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Forresters
Aug-04-2021 @ 9:25 PM                           Permalink
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Given the difficulties in obtaining refills of calor gas I’m coming around to thinking about ditching the LPG job and oven and replacing with electric.

We have shore power and a generator so using 240v is not an issue for us. I was talking with our marina owner earlier who confirms he no longer offers calor gas given the difficulty experienced in obtaining the lower volume bottles.

We have recently replaced LPG hob and oven with electric which are 13 amp in our static.

I’m interested to know if other boat owners have similar thoughts and what appliances are recommended. Have heard good reports of induction hobs

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Hi Forresters,

We weren't aware of the calor gas shortages till a couple of weeks ago but soon discovered there was none to be had in Norfolk! Then came back up home and had the same difficulties. We were told that many of the hire yards in The Broads have had to change their fleets over to Flo gas. This requires a different regulator but is otherwise quite straightforward I understand. However,  the bottle sizes are fractionally different shapes which for us meant it wouldn't fit in our locker and I suppose this issue may be common on small boats where space is at a premium and lockers were built to only take up the precise space needed.

Can't answer your questions re your own proposed alternative but thought the info was relevant to the general issue.

Karen


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Calor has been difficult to get for some time in Norfolk- even the website frequently is not taking orders so it a bit hit & miss - The Calor lorry is seen from time to time doing the domestic deliveries to the lucky ones.
I am waiting for the two 47k bottles to run out to switch to 2 x 19k as only used for domestic cooking so fingers crossed when that day comes.

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I switched from Calorgas to Flogas many years ago, as the Flogas depot is just outside my village, and many of the boatyards stock it anyway. Never had a supply problem.

Regarding electric cooking on board, I assume (as I don’t know much about it) the cooker will be running off an inverter and the shore-power will be used to keep the batteries topped up. OK if you can always get connected.

What sort of generator would be used? If it’s a petrol-driven one, which must only be used outside the boat, will you be mooring well away from everyone else while it’s running? Noise/fumes. Even the inboard generators fitted to the ‘all electric’ hire boats are attracting complaints when they are run at public moorings.



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Calor gas don't help them selves by stopping the public returning empty gas bottles to there main stock centers because of covid , ive been trying for over a year to return a few empty bottles i have, there not even bothering replying back to phone call messages ,

steve and vicky
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The diminishing deposit and  needing a set of paperwork from a decade or more ago gives no incentive to return anyway.
Whole system needs a re-think Though little incentive with the end of fossil fuel in sight ( maybe)

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I have changed from Calor to Avanti Gas (Sea Palling )
Their 47kg bottles are only £54.00 (Calor I think are over £70) and there is no bottle charge.  Delivery is excellent.

Simon

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I wish the problem had been aired on here before because until we came to need some we didn't know. Had we realised we could have been trying to get some in advance of running out in the middle of a weeks holiday and discovering the small ones are like gold dust!

To be honest we usually know when we are likely to be getting near the end , simply by our typical yearly useage being similar each season. However I think we got a bit out of sync with the 18 months of random and sporadic use of the boat during covid, and that the poor boat ending up being stuck at a boatyard for 6 months instead of 10 weeks !

When we returned from our weeks holiday ( luckily decent weather so it was cold meals and electric kettle back at our mooring for the last 2 or 3 days and a takeaway fish and chips from Kens !) I spent about 2 hours ringing around trying to get a new bottle. One website for a caravan and camping place took our order saying they had the size in stock but it turns out that "due to covid " ( a regular excuse these days !) their website isn't functioning properly on being updated or corrected re stock. But they happily take the orders and your money ! Very annoying. In the end a small caravan dealer gave us a half full bottle from a caravan he had taken in part exchange. Said he wouldn't/couldn't charge us and he simply swapped our empty one for his and said nobody knows when calor gas will pick up the empty ones. What a sorry state of affairs. Whoever is responsible for this ridiculous scenario at Calor needs a kick up their you know what !

Karen

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We have two bottles on board, one Calor and the other Flo Gas so we hedge our bets!
Apart from at the aftermath of the full lockdown when there was a delay of a couple of weeks in swapping the Calor cylinder we have (touch wood!) had no supply issues.
Incidentally, Karen, our regulators fit both cylinders so I'm not sure about a regulator change for Flo Gas unless you are talking about a change from Propane to Butane or vice versa.

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Plentiful supplies of Flogas butane and you don't need to change the regulator either - although even they have some problems with the supply of smaller bottles.

However they will not take Calor bottles in exchange and you do need to shell out £30 pounds initially for a Flogas bottle - however Flogas is cheaper than Calor and over a period of time it will be worth it as virtually all yards now use it and it is readily available.



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