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May-17-2018 @ 12:42 PM                           Permalink
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I have just purchased two new fire extinguishers at B&Q. They are "First Alert" ABC 1kg dry powder extinguishers BS Kite marked as required by the BSS. Price £16.97 each. With my Wednesday discount for old fossils of £1.70 each they come to £15.97 each.

As my old extinguishers are over five years old and cost much more to have a proper refill service that sort of price is worth thinking about.

The old ones still have the pressure gauge in the green, the seals unbroken and will be used elsware. I just give them a good bang with my hand occasionally and then shake them upside down to keep the powder loose. They will not be used in a life critical situation so no problem (garden workshop).

Before anybody chirps up with criticism I am fully aware that just because the pressure gauge shows in the green does not signify that the extinguisher is working. I have been trained as a fire marshal for my ex company and this point was covered in the training. Gauges can stick in rare cases even if the propellant gas has escaped. I now have four spare out of date extinguishers and at least one of them should work.
  



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The gauge sticking is probably as common as a brand new fire extinguisher not working, some worry too much.

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May-17-2018 @ 4:40 PM                           Permalink
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Dilligaf: Yep, you may be right.

Anyway, I have replaced my extinguishers just to keep those that make rules and are paid an amazing amount of money to do so ecstatically happy.

Incidentally, quite a few years ago I was pulled up on the Thames by inspectors, that was when boat safety rules were self policed and before the British Waterways (now CaRT) stuck their oar in and started their money making scheme with their BSS certification (£30 odd quid for just the paper that the certificate was written on swindle) and the chancellor of exchequer rubbed his greasy hands thinking about the amount of VAT it would bring to him to waste from the boat surveyor's fees.

I had an extinguisher that I bought from Woolworths fitted in the cockpit and it was not kite marked. I dutifully bought two new kite marked ABC extinguishers and fitted them in the cabin. The old one which was about five odd years old then was still in the cockpit as I thought I could possibly use in the almost impossibility of a fire on my boat and save the new extinguishers.

Yep! it still worked three years later as it had a plastic safety pin and I tripped, stood on the handle and it covered me and the boat cockpit in powder.

Oh well, buying a new extinguisher keeps the bu****s happy I suppose even if it does not work. You learn in life to keep the bu****s happy.





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May-17-2018 @ 6:29 PM                           Permalink
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I recently bought 2 x 2kg dry powder and a fire blanket for £34 including postage.

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May-17-2018 @ 10:17 PM                           Permalink
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"I recently bought 2 x 2kg dry powder and a fire blanket for £34 including postage."

Well done! You would pay an arm and a leg if you bought them from a chandlery.

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Yes, that does seem like a bargain. Who did you get them from, please?

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It might be worth mentioning that the B&Q 1kg extinguishers are rated at 8A 35B C. Nothing wrong with them at all, but the minimum standards for boats which need extinguishers for the BSS are as follows:

Boat length up to 23 ft. Min. number of extinguishers 2, minimum rating of each 5A/34B, minimum combined rating 10A/68B

Boat length 23-36 ft. Min. number of extinguishers 2, minimum rating of each 5A/34B, minimum combined rating 13A/89B

Boat length over 36 ft. Min. number of extinguishers 3, minimum rating of each 5A/34B, minimum combined rating 21A/144B

ATM, I have one 8A/34B and one 8A/55B on my 30 ft boat, combined rating 16A/89B. I would need 3 of the B&Q extinguishers to comply with the BSS, so it’s worth checking your own requirements before purchasing.


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May-18-2018 @ 6:03 PM                           Permalink
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Just to add to the discussion, I had three original extinguishers checked over and serviced a few weeks ago by Ace fire in Norwich.

He did them while I waited and labeled them accordingly.

They are much bigger than the minimum size required at 13A/70B each and are the type found on many hire boats over the time.

The cost? It was £20 all in for the three!



If I am a "woody" how come there are no "fibreglassy's" "plasticy's" or "steelies"?

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Oops forgot the piccy

If I am a "woody" how come there are no "fibreglassy's" "plasticy's" or "steelies"?


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May-19-2018 @ 9:08 AM                           Permalink
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JanetAnne:

I take it that was just for an inspection to check the nozzle is clear, the safety pin is intact with the seal unbroken and the casing has not been damaged. I do that myself every time I take my boat out.

When I was referring to a service which is recommended by the manufacturers I meant a full discharge, internal casing inspection, working parts checked and replaced if necessary and recharging and re pressurising. That costs much more than a new extinguisher.

£20 seems a trifle expensive for five minutes work and a sticker. Obviously the most important thing that needs checking is the internal pressure and as you cannot rely on the gauge (as discussed previously), you cannot do that without completely invalidating the extinguisher.

I have seen some companies that do a fire blanket "service" for £3. You do not "service" fire blankets, you replace them after use. Personally I do not have to be told if my fire blanket has been used, I know. All these "services" are a rip off.

And by the way, if I had paid £20 for a "service" I would want the label to be more discrete, not an advertisement for the company and to be put on straight with no wrinkles. That label looks really scruffy and slap dash.  



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