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After seeing someone pouring a jerry can of red diesel into a funnel into there boat, I was wondering what the rules/laws are on doing this, not sure what the advantage of doing this would be unless the diesel was considerably cheaper than £1.00 per litre.

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If you're prepared to buy red diesel in large quantities, it's around 52p per litre plus VAT. It's not legal to fill your boat with the stuff because you won't have paid the correct level of fuel duty.

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It is perfectly legal to fill your boat from jerry cans, you are ASSUMING they have not paid the correct duty (you are probably right but that's not the point), I will be filling mine from jerry cans (hopefully soon) as it's the same jerry cans I filled from the boat when I found out my tanks were weeping from rusty patches at the bottom.
Don't just assume anyone clutching a jerry can is a tax dodger or fuel thief.


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Thanks for your reply Dave and clarification, I wasn't assuming he was a tax dodger, my query was aimed more at the actual pouring from a can rather than using a proper diesel dispenser.

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Hi Steve so based on red being approximately 52p per litre pre tax what would 60/40 be per litre based on 52p per litre starting price?

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To make the maths easier assume 10 litres, you can then move your decimal points around.

The duty is an additional £0.4681 per litre, so the additional duty on a supply of 10 litres is 6 x £0.4681 or £2.81.

About £0.28p per litre based on 60/40 split.

At 52p per litre that would make the cost price around 80p per litre.

SO if you order a 205litre barrel to your house, you should phone hmrc and pay them £57.

I've only had a quick scan but the cheapest price for a barrel delivered, at retail that I could find was £220, that's before you phone and pay the extra duty.  That makes a cost price of £1.35ish a litre.  You could of course get a large bunded tank installed with a dispenser pump at your house, and then lots of jerry cans for the transfer in order to get a better price per litre.  I'm sure there's other methods on top of that to secure supplies though....

At the pump there is vat as well at 5% included in the price which gets passed to the revenue. The supplier only gets to claim the vat back on the purchase before the additional duty is added.

That was worked out very quickly on the back of an envelope, don't take it as tax advice Smile

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Thanks whispering reeds very helpful  Cheers

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