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Nov-26-2006 @ 8:16 PM                           Permalink
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The fuel quality/Rating will vary depending on manufacturer/supplier, if you can identify who supplies the fuel you might be able to get the figures although some companies are reluctant to publish them

Bearing in mind that red diesel is used in tractors fishing boats etc I assume its not of the highest quality probably due to the lack of profit the fuel company makes

Not that I am cynical at all

Anyway the proof is in the pudding as they say.

When I used red diesel in my heater the carbon build up caused regular startup failures with the glowplug and mesh blocked with carbon.

Since using road diesel the plug and mesh looks brand new with no carbon build up and no start up problems (apart from equipment failure)

I dont have a separate tank for the heater and I couldnt afford to fill the engine tanks with road fuel my secret is to put a few litres of road diesel in every now and then which seems to do the trick

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Paul



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Paul,

Unfortunately, I don't have a manual for the older D3LC model.

The biggest change introduced with the later "compact" models was to move the electronic control module inside the heater itself (thereby doing away with the extra bulkhead mounted box).

Wiring of the all the different versions of both DILCc and D3LCc models was essentially identical with one exception:-
Different glow plugs were used, requiring different connections at the heater terminals.
The different glow plugs require either a "pulsed positive" or a "pulsed negative" supply, so when one fails you have to buy the correct replacement for your particular heater.
A further twist is that on some models the supply to the glow plug was routed via an external current regulator and on others it was simply omitted.

(The glow plug info is provided for reference only as it's basically internal wiring, but the drawing that I emailed to you included our "positive" glow plug connections).

Good luck with your heater.  

E/boat Steve

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Nov-26-2006 @ 12:40 AM                           Permalink
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David,

Since I only buy red diesel on the broads, I think that I am reassured. Confused

The Ebby has been using it for long enough now to show signs of trouble (if it was going to) and our old BMC (admittedly a dated design) has run for years without sooting up.

E/boat Steve

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Paul,

I have sent you a link to buy a cabin temp. sensor, in case you want it.
Personally, I think this makes a better installation, (rather than refitting the old thermostat and leaving it 90 percent redundant).

For info, if your old thermostat was a square box with the rotary control in the lower right hand corner (and on/off switch top right), the original wiring functions are listed below.
If you were to re-use it just as a cabin temperature sensor, the only 2 terminals to reconnect back to the heater would obviously be 1 and 7, with all other connections going to the 7 day timer. (see #)

1 Sensor ref (ground) - to heater pin 13
2 Temperature target  - previously to heater pin 7
3 No connection
4 No connection
5 Battery +ve            - previously from fuse
6 Heater "switch on"  - previously to heater pin 14
7 Cabin temp. sensor  - to heater pin 8 (sensor "live")

Have fun.

E/boat Steve

p.s. thermostat description corrected 28/11/06
also note that the heater pin numbers refer to model D1LCc and D3LCc

#  Sensor ref (ground) is required at BOTH the 7 day timer (pin 9) and one side of the bulkhead mounting cabin temperature sensor.

This message was edited by Ellaboat on Dec-3-06 @ 10:26 AM

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Hi Steve,

Actually MBM did blind test around varions marinas in many areas of the UK and sent the samples off for analysis, the results were all well above the spec required for 590. I understood that a major reason for Ebers, Webos, Makunis et all sooting is that they are not running at capacity, it seems this is an area where going one size more than really needed is not a good idea as if they are not run at full capacity for a high enough proportion of the running time they do soot up prematurely,

update on cat logic: "Dubito ergo cogito; cogito ergo sum" Rene Des Cat

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Hi David,
No worries there then.
Our Ebby works hard in the winter.

E/boat Steve

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Cautionary note (since this is an open forum):-

I was wondering how many Ebby dealers tell their customers how to reset the heater after fault lockout.
Not many I reckon, and probably only then if they consider the end user to be capable/responsible.
You can understand their reluctance, as there is a safety issue here.

Unless the user can identify and cure the cause, resetting it is a short term cure, during which time the heater will again be malfunctioning (and an improper repair could potentially be dangerous).
Having said that, the designers of the Eberspacher deserve respect for the highly effective safety features built into these heaters.

I, for one know nothing about the combustion side of things and all the foregoing electrical information has just been the result of determined digging.



E/boat Steve

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AND FINALLY:-

Here's a decadent "add on" for anyone with the 7 day timer described earlier:-

1) Lay in a 2 core cable from the timer to a panel by your bunk
2) Connect a momentary action pushbutton (closing contact) across the 2 cores
3) Connect the timer end of the cable across pins 7 and 12
4) Lay in your bunk on a cold morning (having forgotten to set the timer to start the heater), press the button and the heater will run up. Note: pressing it again would shut the heater down
6) Get up anyway as your wife is now demanding a cup of tea Frown



E/boat Steve

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Or train the ships cat to turn it on, mind you if I did that then Bonny would have it on permenantly even in July. Smile

update on cat logic: "Dubito ergo cogito; cogito ergo sum" Rene Des Cat

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Ships Cat training course



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