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We need to find an easy solution to the rise and fall of the mudweight. Corsica weighs in at around 7.5 tonnes and we would like to be able to release and recover a mudweight without having to have the physical aspects of the "big lift". Has anyone any experience or recommendations regarding the electric powered option. We expect to have to put in a chain locker etc. but what sort of electric windlass works best??

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Because a mudweight on the Broads only requires about 10 metres of "scope"  ( 5 times the average depth of two metres), you could get away with a car type elctric winch that winds the rope onto a drum, and not have to create a chain locker beneath the foredeck.

They are about £100, and work fairly well, with quite a few adaptations on Broads Cruisers.

A "proper" anchor windlass costs a great deal more, most of them being around £600 to £900 or even more.  There is a company (based in Australia I believe), that makes the "South Pacific" range, which are considrrably cheaper, and yet appear to be good quality and work well.

http://www.compass24.com/web/catalog/shop/technics_chandlery_anchor_winch

The South pacific ones are on the bottom row of that page, at £139 and £239.  You need to get the right wattage model for your size of boat, and you would need to create a chain locker for the chain or rope to fall into.

I've been using the vertical model for about 6 months, and it seems to work very well. Nicely made, and deploys and raises quickly. I two metres of 8mm calibrated chain spliced to 14mm three strand polyester, with an 18kg mudweight on a bow roller. Smile

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Hiya simon i have fitted a standard winch bought of ebay that lowers or raises the mud weight without leaving the steering position but if i ever require to drop it in a hurry theres a knob on the winch drum end that can be with drawn to let it free fall, on the rope i have colour painted markings to tell me when it is just below the surface so that i can set of and be able to wash it then another marker for the last 12 inch or so then a finall one in red for the top and parking point and i have a bow roller for the wire to run over this is the type with the bolt on top of the roller to keep the line in when it goes slack at the bottom.

I'm loving'it

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Hi Simon & Sonia
There is another aspect to look at. The grade of cable you need is quite expensive apart from the heat aspect  so the shorter the run the better on a boat the size of Corsica it would be politic to have a dedicated battery up forward to over come this. MORE expense, I do sooo love spending other peoples money.

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Barry's mention about cable provision is a good point to raise.

Even car-type winches draw a lot of amps, and require very thick dedicated cables from the battery. Some use a relay, so the panel switch can be of smaller size as it doesn't need to also carry the high current.

Most boat anchor windlasses carry much greater current, and if the batteries are any distance away, the correct cable could add another £100 to the cost.

The "South Pacific" windlasses that I mentioned are uniquely fitted with spur gearing, which is more efficient, so their power requirement is significantly less, and as they don't need a relay, they are supplied with a neat up/down dashboard rotary switch and circuit breaker, saving a bit more money.


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Thanks for this info Strowager. The two types you mentioned look good. Corsica is an Aquafibre 38 so fits into the 10-12 metre category with an indicated break out force of 450kg. we are thinking that a 30 kilo mudweight should be adequate but I have no idea what "break out force" that would require? Assuming that "break out" refers to the amount of force required to bring the said weight out of the said mud! I suppose basically I'm asking is that over cooking the item?

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We have a separate battery in the forward cabin for the bow thruster. I'm guessing we could run the winch from that?

Simon & Sonia

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Hi Clive

I like the idea of colour coding. I just hate the mess on the foredeck whenever we haul in the weight. Your method of running the boat forward with the weight just a little submerged, in order to clean it, never occured to me before, so thanks for that idea.

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Hi Strowager is the image you posted of the winch you are using. It looks a really neat arrangement, and very tidy on the fordeck. if so did you have a central cleat? and did you have to move it to accomodate the winch?

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These Windlasses are normally used for anchors, rather than mud weights, so the official advice is to start the engine and motor up to the anchor while retrieving, and then "breaking it out" when it is "straight up and down", thus requiring far less effort.

A mudweight has far less grab than a set anchor, so I'd say it was less essential.

Well spotted with the Cleat, yes I did have to move it to one side. The hatch for the very large chain locker make the available foredeck triangle fairly restricted. As you say, I moved the Cleat slightly to one side.  It's still fine for being towed etc., because any warps can be held in the bow roller, and kept in place with the drop-nose pin.

Mine's colour coded too, yellow paint on the chain a foot before the weight, so I know when to stop the windlass, and markings on the 14mm rope, so I know how much is out.

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