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garryn
Jan-06-2017 @ 8:06 PM                           Permalink
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From April 2017 a new bss requirement for hire boats with overnight accommodation will be smoke alarms will need to be fitted. CO alarms will be required on boats with wood burning stoves which will be mainly narrow boats.

Garry

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Hi everyone ..... I have recently booked a boat with Faircraft Lyones for a holiday this year. Due to the tragic news about CO poisoning deaths on boats that were in the news at that time I asked Norfolk Broads Direct if their boats were fitted with CO monitors.

Their reply was that it wasn't necessary due to the boats engine/equipment having annual safety checks.

I found this quite disconcerting and for peace of mind, and after speaking to my local fire department, I bought three. One for each of the cabins.

You may be thinking this is a bit over the top but as the fire officer said closed cabin doors at night can be a real risk and potentially lethal if carbon monoxide is present.

As Rustic said above it may not be your boat at fault it could be one moored nearby. Better to be safe than sorry.

I speak from personal experience as my sister and her boyfriend died this way in a house.




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Jan-07-2017 @ 6:21 PM                           Permalink
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Stevieboy, thank you for responding to this thread, first of all my condolences for your loss, it must have been very difficult for you to write that last line, my heart goes out to you and your family.

I know the incident did not happen on a boat, but does highlight the issue of what can happen without some prior warning in place.

Personally I think the boatyards response is ignoring duty of care.

"Yes we test annually"... so if something goes wrong 6 weeks into the season, how many lives are put at risk.

Sorry I will not be booking with that company, or any others at this rate.

In fact I have all the latest brochures for 2017, we have moved our boat from the broads for health reasons, but I would like to book a family holiday on the Broads.

I would like to promote the installation of CO monitors in all boats, for goodness sake, not a great deal to spend in the whole scheme of things.

To do this needs more lobbying of the boatyards.
I wonder if there is something that is stopping the hire companies from installing them, would they be putting themselves at risk from liability, if one was fitted, and as a consequence, someone died of CO poisoning, maybe the insurance company wouldn't cover them.
It would be great to hear the views of the hire companies.

I think a few emails need to be sent, to test the water lol.
Richard



best regards, Richard.

In my opinion, being on a boat is one of the most relaxing place to be.


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I have just found this which everyone using or owning a boat should be aware of

Boat Safety Scheme & CoGDEM

http://www.boatsafetyscheme.org/media/180329/co-safety-on-boats-2013-web-hkj.pdf

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Keep the boat well ventilated and dont be tempted to plug up every vent if the weather is not good.    We always sleep with a window open wherever we are.   We also hopefully never have to stern moor anywhere.   We also turn off the gas every night before bed.  We would also never double moor for fear of some Charlie putting the heating on next to you and their vent emitting fumes directly into your boat.

Simple precautions.   Been boating a long time.

Women dont nag they just
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You can buy them really cheap on Amazon and Ebay with the right BSEN50291 not a lot of money for peace of mind and maybe your life .

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Whats the rules like covering fire / smoke alarms on hirecraft, do they need periodic testing?

I work with CO and the detectors we have installed require testing every six months, we cant use the stuff you get in Argos. Wondered is this is the reason CO monitors are not provided.

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Why do you want to buy " cheap " devices that may save your life.
Buy a good one which you can both see and hear if there is a problem.you don't get a second chance with carbon monoxide

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I work for a boatyard that fitted CO alarms on all there cruisers at the start of 2016.  We had a number of problems with false alarms and after contacting the manufacturer we were told that all of these alarm are very sensitive to hydrogen which is given of by charging batteries.  We tested different makes and quality alarms and all gave similar results.
It's a problem we have yet to find a solution to.
The idea of an alarm is good and I have ever fitted one of  my own boatime but they are not a perfect solution.

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Interesting point regarding the hydrogen.

Our Lucas leisure batteries have the option of a vent pipe, I vented both batteries to outside the hull, so the hydrogen should drift away.

A bit OTT but when we had a caravan I vented the battery through the floor, not ideal, but better than having a locker with hydrogen and Oxygen.

We had a Citroen Picasso, the battery was under the passenger seat, and Citroen fitted a drain through the floor.

So there are ways to get rid of the hydrogen.



best regards, Richard.

In my opinion, being on a boat is one of the most relaxing place to be.


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All of our boats have battery boxes with vents to outside of the hull of one form or another.  The problem seems to be gas seeping through the lid.  The problem seems to occur when the boats are on moorings normally at night in very still air.  Not as you might expect when the boat is underway and the battery is charging hard.
We intend to improve ventilation round the batteries before we consider removing any CO alarms.

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