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Apr-23-2008 @ 7:35 PM                           Permalink
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Hello!

Being a new member- and having read lots about Martham Boats... including some "interesting" tales (including a demasting), I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on getting the best from Japonica Class Yachts?

We are hiring two in a few weeks (No. 5 and No. 8).  We have hired before, from NBYCo, including America/Lapwing.  Both skippers are experienced sailors (and also stinky boaters as well on the canals! Blush  ).

We know that the Martham boats are much more basic, but some extra advice would be welcome.  We are also quite nervous about the Stuart-Turner inboards, so any further information would be welcome!

Thanks a lot in advance!

Mark Langley

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Stuart Turners? If they work OK; if not the quanting exercise is very good for the soul!!!!!

As for sailing, make sure the main is set correctly!!! The number of people who try to tack with the topping lift set up and wonder why not!!! Also if reefing make sure the first thing you do is to pull the foot rope  tight before tying in reefs.

Look for excessive bagginess and if so wonder how it got there!!!

I am sure a proper sailie will add something......!!

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Apr-23-2008 @ 8:06 PM                           Permalink
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Blimey, that was a quick response! Thank you!

Generally,I reef quite early anyway! Usually at the request of my crews, must be said!  America was quite easy to sail we found (she was set up so well), compared to our sea-going ones.  Mind you, my narrowboat has a BL1.8 diesel, which is quite reliable... the idea of 4hp single cylinder petrol makes my heart jump! Surprised they pass the BSS, but then again, we have had to live with it for years on the canals lol! Be good to know how to keep them running- or even starting properly!

Thanks again!

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The Stuarts did have electric starting you know. My recollection is that their charging ability may be limited for flat screen TV's and microwaves but if maintained they can be OK.

Two points though - the supply of petrol is limited to Martham only on the Northern Rivers so if planning long trips under power, e.g. to the South, make sure you have enough petrol.

And secondly, the engine probably has a hand start facility if required so get practising!!! Seriously though Stuarts used to be everywhere - they can't all be bad even though it might be a bit old!!!!

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Apr-23-2008 @ 9:37 PM                           Permalink
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Thanks again- I was wondering about the starting! I assumed that battery power would be limited, so torches at the ready!  Staying on the North Broads... but I presume that the petrol tanks are quite small- is it worth taking (and does the yard allow) extra fuel- I believe that they are 50:1 ratio.  If so, how much, I wonder- we will try and not motor too much, but you never know!

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Hi Mark,
excellent boats the old Japonica's, fine on a reach and running, but pretty naff when beating, they don't point particularly high, even the one I owned, which had brand new sails and considerably less drag than the ones in hire.
To get the best out of the them, make sure the jib luff is nice and tight and the mainsail setting well, as your experienced friends will know, don't oversheet, ease, ease, ease! the mainsheet, gaffers like to be sailed full and bye.
As to the Stuart Turner inboard  Scared  I removed the one from mine, they are fine in calm conditions, barely make way against wind and tide, and just avoid having to go backwards!! When engaging gear you will find they head off to starboard, this as far as I was concerned could not be corrected until the boat had plenty of way on her. The engine charging facility is ok so long as you don't leave the lights on all night.
The Japonica is a good, powerful and solid old yacht perfect for a broads holiday,
enjoy Smile
Mat

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Couldn't agree more about the charging... we flattened the battery more than once. Very frustrating, though the yard were very prompt in coming to our aid!

What can I say... a steady, comfortable boat to sail... never particularly exciting, but ok. Always interesting to see the latest arrangement of the halyards  when you pick up Wink  And, avoid the one with the hideous purple and yellow sails!!

I am afraid though, I am on record here as saying I will probably not hire from the yard again, until they start to give the boats the care they need. I can't be doing with horrible bits of string, of inadequate length or flexibility, rather than decent sheets and halyards. Sorry Martham - you have been good to us over the years, but not so good to your yachts.

Danny

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Apr-24-2008 @ 1:20 PM                           Permalink
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It is many years since I sailed one, but I thought that it had too much weather helm for me. I've since sailed a few boats from other yards (one Hunters one, a few from the old Southgates yard, George Thetford) and all seemed better balanced. Might be the memory playing tricks though....

We hired one of their motor boats (Juliette) a few weeks ago, and it was generally quite well finished - much better than the last one I had a few years before.

They have also got into customer satisfaction in a big way, so they are making some encouraging moves.

There was a charging issue with the electrics, but then my 'co-skipper' did mange to catch a mooring post and put a 4" graze in the side, so I reckoned we had no grounds to complain!

Enjoy your trip, but watch for shallows in the entrance to Heigham Sound!

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Apr-24-2008 @ 1:55 PM                           Permalink
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Thanks for the help- I am looking forward to it- though the other skipper probably isn't reading this, so I might not give him the hints! He is the better skipper out of us two- though his crew (on No.5!) is more likely to leave the lights on.  My lot will have to eat/drink and play cards in the dark Wink

Thanks again for all the comments-= might pop a spare mainsheet in the bag, just in case (as well as the small tool kits and a few spare shackles- if I managed to rip America's Genoa last year, I hate to think what will happen on a "less maintained" yacht).

Can't believe how helpful- and prompt- you lot are!

Mark



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Good thoughts Mark... There will be all sorts of bits of spare string, but precious few (nil) tools. Not a bad plan to have a few with you. I don't think you will come to grief, but would advise caution if the wind really gets up. Reef early and use your common sense! It's a bit like the way you drive an old car... you don't expect to be able to push it to the limits as you might have when it was new...

Danny

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