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Jean&Brian
Jun-03-2018 @ 4:41 PM                           Permalink
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Being an angler for 60 odd years and a boater for half that time I am more than happy to respect the close season, if you cant exist for 3 months without wetting a line there are plenty of alternatives, I used to go sea fishing but there are plenty of other waters available,it is also not just the Broads but all flowing water that is affected.

               Brian

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Jun-03-2018 @ 6:07 PM                           Permalink
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The "commercial fisheries" tend to replace their fish every now and again so It looks like there is no damage being done..

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Jun-04-2018 @ 5:27 PM                           Permalink
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If anybody moored in the places that I do they would see that the rivers do replace their stocks naturally. Where I moor there are millions of fry much in excess to what is required. If they all survived the river would not be able to sustain their growth. Therefore a few boaters having a not too serious dabble and catching a few tiddlers on a cheap rod from Lathams will not affect anything. With all the fish kills in the Hickling area in recent years does not seem to deplete the stocks as is the salt surges.

I personally have noted the dearth of fishermen in recent years, possibly having lost interested in what they like to call a "sport" during close seasons. That is what happened to me. I built a boat instead and have never looked back. I still have a dabble for a couple of hours now and again but seeing what I have seen I really cannot see what difference it can make having possibly very serious fishermen on the banks during the close season weeks can make much difference.

In saying this, which I know many people will disagree with me. I am going to say something that loads of people will disagree with. Unless you are taking part in a recognised fishing match keepnets should not be used. I can see no point in imprisoning fish all day in a net, possibly scraping off their protective slime and opening them to disease just to prove by a picture at the end of the day what a wonderful fisherman you are. The majority of the people of this country would just yawn at the picture and get on with their lives.

Certainly during springtime keepnets should be banned anyway.

Please note that I was a very keen fisherman, bivvy, camping gear, secret baits, secret places, you name it, I did it. Oh yes, I forgot, some real biggies!

I am now looking for the tin hat

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You don't have to justify your opinion and shouldn't need a tin hat for voicing it  Wink  I'm though in the other camp whereas occasionally I do use a keepnet but mainly when targeting Bream and in such cases I have 2 overly large nets (no I'm not braggin  Smile  ). Until such time as they may ban them then I'll continue to do so.

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Hear, hear, Rebel.  Keepnets on the upper Thurne are, as often as not, left in the water for an entire week, their contents then laid out on a bungalow's lawn for the bragging rights to be evidenced by a photograph.

Local otters have learned how safely to take the 'specimen' fish from keepnets.  This alone should persuade anglers that keepnets are not obligatory or desirable.

Match fishing may require the use of keepnets, but participating anglers are routinely witnessed dumping the day's catch back into the river as if they were dumping so much dross.



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Jun-05-2018 @ 10:39 AM                           Permalink
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I think it was last year that some fishermen around the Horning area were fined for leaving a keepnet full of fish in the water after they had packed up for the day and went around the pub.

As I have said before, I disagree with keepnets but if they must be used then they should be used humanely and the fish allowed to swim out of them at the end of the session, they should not be slid out of the nets from the bank. Just think of the damage this practice is to the protective slime.

If we must catch fish for a pastime then we should treat the fish with a bit of respect. I unhook my fish in the wet landing net and use the net to gently return them to the water. I never just throw them back no matter how small they may be. The bigger ones are photographed in the net before return.

Behaving in this manner in my opinion is much better for fish conservation than closing the season for three months. If the fish caught do have spawn in them they can get back and do what they need to do without too much hindrance.



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Jun-05-2018 @ 2:02 PM                           Permalink
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I unhook my fish in the wet landing net and use the net to gently return them to the water. I never just throw them back no matter how small they may be. The bigger ones are photographed in the net before return.

Well said.... I don't think people realise what sort of damage they do catching a fish in a towel to hold it whilst they unhook it, either use your bare wet hand or leave it in the wet landing net if you can't manage this don't bother fishing...

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Jun-06-2018 @ 10:04 AM                           Permalink
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" Behaving in this manner in my opinion is much better for fish conservation than closing the season for three months. If the fish caught do have spawn in them they can get back and do what they need to do without too much hindrance. "

Obviously, the best way to ensure fish conservation is to leave them completely alone, and to not fish at all.
That is obviously not going to happen. So all the methods being described on this thread will no doubt improve the situation and are to be applauded.
However, giving the fish a "holiday" as well must also help the situation. That seems patently logical and obvious to me. During the period of the closed season, fish cannot be harmed by the less capable and less caring anglers that are out there. Also, being unhindered by even knowledgeable anglers can only help.
A belt and braces approach to conservation. Good angling practice and a period of rest for the fish.

I should point out that is the perspective of a non angler.

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Jun-06-2018 @ 11:42 AM                           Permalink
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Exile

As a lifelong angler I fully agree, I re-emphasise the close season applies to all river systems not just the broads and not only benefits the fish but nesting birds and other wildlife as well as allowing for the bankside vegetation to recover.

Although I don't fish anywhere during the close season there are options for those that wish to do so, all hunting, shooting & game fishing hobbies have close seasons and I see no reason to change things for commercial reasons.

             Brian


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Exile, Jean & Brian,

Totally in agreement with you on this.

Mike only fishes on The Broads, something he tried on our first ever Broads holiday many years ago, having not fished since his childhood.  He enjoys a bit of gentle bank fishing from time to time as a leisurely way to spend the afternoon when we are moored up somewhere in the summer, he is not a "serious" angler at all. However,  he handles his catches with care and the right equipment and  won't use a keepnet. When you consider the high concentration of visitors to the rivers on The Broads, I wonder how many of those people are simply trying a bit of fishing on a one off basis and as total amateurs, with little knowledge or experience? I see plenty of unsupervised kids being handed a newly bought rod and left to have a go, and we regularly see youngsters ( more than adults ) trying to fish from a moving boat. So, I would suggest that the fish on The Broads in particular probably get more than their fair share of mishandling and deaths, so the closed season is most definitely needed.

This is just my opinion and based only and what we have seen over the years.

Karen

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Exile I think that the problem a lot of anglers have is that the spawning season is out of kilter with the times that the fish are actually spawning.
I must add that as an angler I personally don't have a problem with the closed season, however the points made by anti's is a strong case and as the close season is at present(dates). it seems to be way of course.

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