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jbensley
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50lb line as the sign advised that would be bad practice to start with, but you are correct Dave absolutely impossible to police I'm afraid if the EA can't be bothered to sent more officers about what can be done.



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Banning pike fishing altogether or at least a 5 yr moratorium ????

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Years ago it used to say on the rod license no pike fishing until after October 1,at least for the Thames area.In those days there was no national rod license each water authority had its own separate one

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Perhaps make it a legal requirement to have an unhooking mat, suitable unhooking pliers and maybe croppers.
I know it's difficult to enforce but so is policing the license dodgers, at least then it would make it an offense, as it stands now an "angler" could catch a pike put his foot on it on a chicken wire covered quay and rip the hooks out or cut the line and leave the fish carrying the hooks and his only crime is to offend bystanders and of course cause damage to the fish itself.
At the very least if a perp was caught then they could be fined.
It's a start I suppose?

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Banning treble hooks would be a good start, they nothing but a barbaric nasty vicious piece of equipment which should have been done away at the same time as the Gaff. In my mind anybody who uses such has absolutely no respect for their quarry.

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Totally disagree John, modern trebles are nothing like the huge monstrosities of old, The alternative, the circle hook has a much lower hook up rate than trebles and therefore many Anglers tend to leave the run (bite) to develop longer before winding down onto the fish, this can cause much more likelyhood of deep hooking the fish.

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Rubbish !!!!!

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You obviously know nothing whatsoever bout Pike fishing so why do you bother posting on the subject?

Dave

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A lot of treble hooks only have barbs on one point and this is to hold the baitfish, if you have the right unhooking tackle these modern trebles are a doddle to slip out and correct me if I'm wrong but they are only a size ten usually...

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Hi all. Sorry I don't come on here like I used to but just got fed up trying to reason with idiots Frown  Idiots who seem to only come on to push their own agendas.

However I was asked to look in on this subject as it (angling wise) is probably the biggest issue we have up here on the Broads. After a somewhat negative start can I just say how good it is to see so many realise that there is indeed a problem with the pike and pike fishing here.

Pike are very much in decline here. This is not just a personal experience (born out of actually being out on the water after them near as dam it every day in the winter) but one now also recognised by the EA. Recently we have been involved with several monitoring and surveying operations with them and they are now looking into it.

Lots of possible/contributing factors such as the ever growing salt incursion issue, predation by otters/poaching and last but by no means least the heavy angling pressure and poor angling practices. Now the majority are happy to rant about otters or poachers, some are clued up enough to understand the salt issue.....but an awful lot just refuse to even acknowledge that anglers themselves may be playing a part in this decline. Irony of this is as anglers we may not have a lot of control over salt, otters or poachers! ...... but we can our own actions.

Two issues really from an angling point of view. First is WHEN we fish for them. I wont go into all the science here (but quite happy to at a later date if people are interested or want to challenge it) but simply fishing for pike when the water temperatures are high (with the resulting low dissolved oxygen levels) is VERY bad news for them. They struggle to recover after expending the energy during the fight and even though with careful nursing they do swim off many (not all) never fully recover and die...totally unknown to the angler but seen by people like us who are out on the water every day. Next and possibly the biggest thing is simply LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. For many the Norfolk Broads are synonymous with pike fishing. People come here to fish from all over...unfortunately so so many just don't know how to! Now I'm not talking so much about catching them as to be honest they are not that hard to catch! what Im on about is being able to catch and return them safely! People have all ready mentioned the equipment needed and while obviously it is the real issue is KNOWING how to use this gear! I get people asking me nigh on every day in the holiday season to come and unhook pike for them. I can kind of understand (but not excuse) when I turn up and they are a match angler whose caught one by mistake or even stuck a bait out to catch the one terrorising his roach! even the holiday maker whose never fished before....but many have all the rods and alarms, even lovely tool rolls with all the correct tools...but just don't know what to do...or as bad are too scared to. Please don't think I'm exaggerating either and if you do come spend a day in the summer with us.

When I was a lad I killed a lot of pike through ignorance, no one knew what to do and you just couldn't find out. These days there's a wealth of knowledge and plenty of people who are more than happy to show you how. If your going top go pike fishing you need to know how to do so safely and best way is to go with someone who know (actually does mind and doesn't just think so!)

I'm not going to get bogged down and bore you anymore as I've wrote enough here but its simple people need to LEARN...if they want to still be catching pike in a few years that is.


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Budgie is a very well respected Pike Angler with extensive knowledge of predator fishing but I must take exception to his continuation of the "myth" of the dangers of Pike fishing in Summer. Yes you have to be careful with Pike and give them time to recover but you have to do this in Winter as well. O2 depletion is a very complicated matter as the attached link shows.

http://www.fondriest.com/environmental-measurements/parameters/water-quality/dissolved-oxygen/

One very telling line from that report is:-



"The freshwater fish most tolerant to DO levels include fathead minnows and northern pike. Northern pike can survive at dissolved oxygen concentrations as low as 0.1 mg/L for several days, and at 1.5 mg/L for an infinite amount of time ²7. Fathead minnows can survive at 1 mg/L for an extended period with only minimal effects on reproduction and growth."

Pike are fished for elsewhere in the World in much hotter temperatures than we see in this country as seen on the following link which is from Budgies own web site.

http://www.bass-online.co.uk/guided-fishing-trips.html

Dave

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