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BUDGIE
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Hi Dave hope your well. I'm afraid this is a great example of how the whole "summer piking" issue is very much miss understood due to information being miss interpreted. The information you have linked to is often presented to me....but it shows "survival" levels of DO and NOT the much higher "recovery" levels required. This causes a lot of confusion. I'm afraid I cant link to the relevant scientific papers/research on the subject as it is now all "pay per view" ( The PAC is currently in negotiations to be able to purchase/access for general dissemination) However look up Dr Richard Arlihnghaus's work. He is regarded as the foremost expert on this (and many other freshwater fisheries issues) Despite my experience as a pike angler and my qualifications in both Fisheries Management and Freshwater Biology I always tend to look to people like this for hard facts.
But all this does is explain why we see so many dead pike not confirm that we do! Again please feel free to come spend some time with us and actually experience it. In the summer most of the fish I get called out to deal with are all ready dead by the time I get there simply due to being retained in the oxygen depleted margins.

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The Pike fishing in Spain is only done when the water temperatures (note water not air) are very low. These are galacial waters fed by snow melt...again another example of miss interpreted information.

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Wrong Budgie, totally wrong Lake ORELLANA for instance was formed by damming the Guadiana River in the '60's it is not snow or Glacial water fed, the waters are warm, I have fished there for Carp.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guadiana

Whaqt is the temperature range on the River Yare for instance?

Dave

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"My trips to Spain always start with a flight to Alicante to meet Gary. Baggage is always maxed out with my favourite baits and additional rig bits, I can never remember what I have stored in Spain so I always take extra bits, just in case! Bait consisted of Poloni Pop ups, wafters and as much shelf live Poloni boilie as I could cram in. I had booked two large bags for this trip. We set off early the next day arriving on the lake by midday a 6 hour drive soon passed as anticipation helped usher me to the destination in no time at all. It was a Friday and it happened to be a bank holiday weekend in Spain so the bass anglers were out on-mass.  We loaded up our boats and set off across the huge bay we had decided to target. The sun was beating down and it was still high 20’s even now in mid-October. The water temp was showing at 21 degrees on the sonar depth finder, which was remarkable for the time of year."

from a well known Carp blogger:-

http://www.bait-tech.com/13886/epic-journeys-into-wild-waters/

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They are fed by snow melt.What is done in Spain has no relevance to the issues on the Broads. Im happy enough to promote Extremadura as I know they only fish in SAFE conditions....and why we only promote them and not others. But why has this YET Again turned into this constant arguing re "Summer Piking" its just part of the issue. You say I'm "perpetuating a myth" and grasping at anything to discredit it it/my opinion/facts I'm giving? One simple question before I once again stop wasting my time on this forum....why when it costs my business many thousands of pounds in lost revenue each summer would I "perpetuate a myth"? I know why people constantly argue against it...and that's simply as its an inconvenient truth that they think will stop them doing something they want to do .... when all the "summer piking" campaign has ever been about is raising peoples awareness of a very real problem. But of course its easier to blame it on otter's and EE's.
However until legislation is brought in and as you mentioned earlier, Policing any such rules its all still just talk.
As I said there are issues we as anglers can act on though so maybe we should concentrate on these.
With all the talk of scrapping the present closed season though I'm worried that this will just add even more pressure to the all ready diminished stocks and as well as them getting hammered in the low DO conditions they will now be hammered all year. My experience of fisheries problems is also that by the time a problem is great enough to be recognised and the official bodies to accept....then its too late to do anything about it. Are we very near or maybe at this stage? I hope not. Only time will tell. Catch you all in another few years. Best of luck.


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On another issue if we are taking a stance on Summer Piking or Piking conservation in general (which is a great thing) why are we allowed to target them when they are spawn bound?

"We are very comfortable with the broads describing themselves as a national park"

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Obvious that, it's beacause that is when the fish is at it's heaviest and the reason most Pike Fishing is done in the Winter months IMHO of course.

Dave

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I suspect you're right Dave...always confuses me when Pike welfare gets discussed!

"We are very comfortable with the broads describing themselves as a national park"

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I have been Pike fishing for over 30 years and i have never heard such rubbish. You guys are clueless.

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Blimey, Christmas spirit as run out before the mince pies this year.


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