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Regarding the failure of BA members to respond to emails, I strongly suspect that a control order has gone out. I, too, had only one response to the emails I sent to each of the NavCom members, yet, on previous occasions, involving less contentious issues, I have had good responses.

But I still believe that this is the way to go. There was comment at the NavCom meeting that few complaints had been received. That situation must change, if we are to have any influence at all over the decision.

Petitions are frequently recorded by local authorities as one complaint, regardless of the number of signatories, so I would not endorse the suggestion of starting one. Nor do I believe that it would be feasible to arrange any meaningful numbers to attend the meeting. How many owners actually live within a reasonable traveling distance of Norwich?

The next step, IMO, is to email each of the members (and the CEO) in the next few days. The meeting is on the 18th of this month. There can be no objection made under section 31 until the tolls are demanded next April, but I have already made a preliminary approach to Chris Grayling (Secretary of State DfT), with a view to going down that route, if necessary.

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Mmmmm.
Would it be possible, or even wise, to have an Email
letter drafted and posted on the forum which we can all
copy and paste, with our own signatures, and then send
to all the Navcom members and JP?
A very well drafted letter may make them take up and
notice the depth of feeling of this issue.
Just a thought.

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BB, when members have emailed the BA in the past and have each received the same reply, those replies have tended to be dismissed as 'stock answers'. A 'stock complaint' would, I fear, be regarded in the same way.

In his post in the 2017 Tolls Proposals topic, Torty gave a list of the NSBA bullet points, which can be seen here It would not take very long for those members so minded to compose their own, individual, letter or email and select from that list those points they wish to reinforce. IMO, the main focus of any complaint should be that the proposals are not fair, equitable or reasonable, which are the three grounds on which any objection to the DfT might be based.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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I tried that and NO replies whatsoever. Not even an
acknowledgement of receipt of Email.
A poor do.
I guess that we are being ignored as it doesn't fit
in with their thinking.
I never had a reply from Norman Lamb MP either.

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What about getting the daily papers involved some of them hate unelected quangos . Unless it gets out to a wider audience nothing is going to change . The percentage rise that most boat owners are possibly going to pay is disgusting .

My toll went from £ 404 in 2015 To £439 in
2016 and if I have got it right for a 40ft boat to a proposed £ 514 in
2017 .

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You may well be right Corri, that any sort of protest is bound to fail but it is that sort of attitude that has allowed the Authority to run rough shod over the Toll payers needs.
I have been involved in several very succesful campaigns and can say that direct action brings far more reaction than any written petition, it's hard to ignore a physical presence. What is certain is that we don't do anything, nothing will change, all other attempts to get the Authority to listen have failed because they have been run by "nice" people using nice tactics, the only way to achieve change it to make these people sit up and take notice.


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I suspect those 'upstairs' are quietly smiling smugly, as they know that all the letters, petitions and protests, via newpapers or anywhere else, will ultimately come to naught.

Just as it did when far more wide-reaching episodes than just tolls went through (remember the Broads Bill?)

Once again I say, until proper accountability is established we can all huff and puff but the house will simply shrug it off....because they can.  


Edit after cross post with TT - I don't disagree with you Dave, and maybe direct action is the way to go....do we have any current Herbert Woods replacements (thinking Black Horse Broad), and where should the action be applied, exactly?


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The first place to start as I said is a protest at the upcoming meeting, wouldn't be sensible to say too much else but I would be quite prepared to help, I can certainly get down next Friday, now all it need is another 40-50 to make a worthwhile showing.

Dave

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Until the wider boating community becomes aware of the proposed toll changes, full support for any action is unfortunately going to be limited. We still don't know if tha BA is going to formally advise all toll payers once the proposals get passed (I'm sure they will get passed) or wait until next March (I suspect they will wait.) It needs as many boat owners as possible to write to the BA immediately but I fear it will not be enough until the word gets out to everybody concerned.

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I emailed the BA got the standard answer but it says that ours is going up by 18%. As you say it does look like it will be passed.

Trevor & Deirdre

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