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In order to help maintain some order I have set up this second thread to keep issue problems and queries to do with actual examinations,  in one specific place. General comments about the scheme might better be addressed to the BSS update March 2005 thread.

In answer to a conversation in the chat room last night. O/B storage on yachts, falls under Part 5 section 5.4.2.

BSS general requirement 5 requires that:
" All portable and outboard engines with integral petrol or LPG tanks, and all portable tanks must be stored in away that minises the risks of fire or explosion when not in use."
Check 5.4.2 asks - Are all outboar and portable combustion engines with integral tanks stored to ensure that leaking fuel or escaping vapour will not enter the interior of the vessel?.

Each of the check points can have one or more 'Applicablity Points' i.e. "Information relating to the applicability of the check and any reporting implications and actions that the examiner should take account of in the event of a fail".

The one for 5.4.2 reads "outboard or portable combustion engines NOT STORED at the time of examination, for example generators or invertors running or contected, must be recorded as compliant".

If therfore Your outborad is mounted in place at the time of examination, (purely of course so that the examiner can check the security of the mounting 5.4.3) then you are bound to be compliant in respect of 5.4.2

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Owners of diesel powered boats with Braised, NOT SOFT SOLDERED, copper tanks such as those fitted to many built by H.Woods might like to note that under check 2.5.2 Are tanks made of suitable material? as long as the tank is assessible enough to allow a general assessment of the material it is likely to be compliant (i.e. the overall specific ban on the use of copper tanks has been dropped.) I suspect there may be debates about this one but before ripping the old tank out you may wish to refer to the BSS office 01 923 201278

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Owners of boats who are having difficulties with drip trays under engines and who are considering the expense of having their engines lifted should read part 9 with care. The drip tray or containment area now just has to be sufficient to contain the combined volume of the engine and gearbox oil.

Check 9.1.2 Does the bilge pumping system minimism the risk of avoidable pollution? has the specific requirement " Fixed bilge pumps and bilge suction pipes must not draw from an engine tray or oil tight area unless * discharge is through a bilge water filter capable of a 5ppm discharge performance level as verified by markings on the filter or an appropriate decaration from the manufacturer or supplier"  This was queried at the March meeting and it was confirmed that if such a filter was fitted then in effect the total bilge becomes a compliant oil tray.

Might be a bit smelly but again you might wish to approach BSS direct if this effects you to save expense and problems at the time of examination.

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Part 3 electrical systems, deals under 3.2 deals with cable specifications and no longer contains any reference to the banning of single strand cables i.e.domestic wireing cable. Still not advisable but if have them fitted behind headboards for lights etc they will not result in a fail.

We didn't think that maggots could crawl up the side and come in the window.   Bill...

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Bill,

Have you any idea of how a camping gaz stove that is screwed direct to the top of the bottle will be viewed??

Any help appreciated.

REgards

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Simmon has it got a flame failure device on
the more expensive ones shut the gas off if the flame blows out.

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No, I don't think so.

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Whilst in use or stored, I hope the moderator will back me up let's keep one thread just factual. if in doubt post first on the other one then an answer can appear here. I'm not being funny but there is so much b*** ***t being spouted lets get things sorted. if we just use this thread for tech answers we will at least know where to turn.

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Hi Simon, I am not quite sure which kind of “Camping gaz’ burner/ appliance you are thinking of because there are number of different models. There have I believe been a number of ‘incidents’ with kind which were just lanced by a spike as they were screwed on but I’m not sure whether they are still on sale. The problem was with the ’empty’ containers rather than the operational unit.  Whilst in use the flow of gas will cool the container. When detached the tin warms up and any residual gas fluid can evaporate and leak through the hole. If chucked into a pedal bin the gas will be contained as an explosive mixture probably surrounding combustible material. Other types have a positive screw valve on the CONTAINER similar to small Calor butane bottles, which are rather different.

Portable Gas appliances are covered by part 7 Section 10

Are requirements are:
All portable appliance connections must be fitted with an isolation valve.
All hose connections to the isolation valve of portable appliances must be made with a bayonet, plug-in or screwed fitting
All bayonet, plug-in or screwed fittings must not be missing any components and must be free of corrosion, signs of damage or deterioration.
All unused screwed appliance connection points must be closed with a ‘tools to use proprietary plug or cap.

Other sections of part  7 will also apply in particular the storage of gas containers whether or not they have an appliance attached to them and the other regs. concerning gas hoses.

(Personally I ban the use of portable gas or paraffin appliances on my hire boats because night fishermen’s lights in particular too end up burning something) Failures on these points will prevent the issuing of a certificate, therefore in your tidying up prior to examination I would remove them from the boat.

I am aware that small Draco’s had an interesting arrangement at one time being entirely gas free apart from a fitting on the underside of the folding sink lid designed to clip on to a Camping Gaz container. I think I would want to contact Watford if I found one of them in use. Yes they may be manufacturers fitting yes the steel sink is nor dissimilar to a gas locker yes it has a drain at the lowest point but is in the cabin and I doubt that you can maintain a gas tight seal.



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Picking up on Roy's point Flame supervision devices come under Part 8 Section7 and certainly apply to burners of all LPG appliances installed after Jan 2000. I'm not sure whether by definition you can say a portable appliance is installed. IF an owner was to leave one on board I personally would have a word with Watford. I have yesterday suggested to the technical officers at BSS that they should join this forum and I think they may do so.

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