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Pitters
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I recently cruised down to Great Yarmouth from Sea Palling and after calling Port / Haven for permission, I passed through Yarmouth Harbour and it was a fantastic feeling, dwarfed by the offshore vessels and coasters. I then passed under Breydon Bridge and had a short cruise over Breydon Water before returning to Sea Palling. The Port / Haven staff were very friendly and so were the other boat users I encountered. There was no problem maintaining the required slow speed through the harbour and hopefully I look forward to repeating the trip soon. It would be nice though if the rest of the Broads were accessible to pwc's though as a lazy weekender up river.... dapple shade across the water.... sorry I am drifting off point.

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I think the age thing is the same as high powered motorcycles.

I ride a Suzuki Hayabusa 175 BHP 200MPH+ machine but could only afford that type of bike since I got older.

Spent my money on other things - like women !!!

The older generation can seem to afford them better than the younger ones.

As for your question I can not see why you don't ask the BA, as they are the licensing body.

The forum members can only offer their opinions!





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Hello Pitters and welcome,

I think this is a very reasonable question & there a a few younger Broads users of my acquaintance who would be keen on the idea! I guess it may be to do with the potential speed/use of a PWC, but it is hard to see where that differs from other vessels as you rightly point out. The objections to other activities on ceetain parts of the Broads, (involving excessive wake etc.) is not an objection to the potential of the vessels, but rather to what is done with them.

Your point about other Broads users, though fairly challenged by Nigel, illustrates the point, that in the wrong hands, (or right ones under wrong circumstances!!) any of the craft on the Broads can cause problems!

I hope you get a sensible response from the BA!

Danny

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Hello Dannyboy
thank you for your comments. As you quite rightly point out, it is the generally misconceived view of pwc's that the public hold, that potentially turns everyone against them.
It is the same when I was actively cruising (see my new boy entry)... I got on with sailors and motor crews alike..... even though some sailors have a distinct aversion to "smelly diesels".
In the right hands (competence) any vessel (sail / motor /jetdrive)can be a rewarding experience or a d*mned nuisance.
When and where is the Forum meeting on saturday?

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You'll find a whole load of info on the meet up elsewhere... but basicallly, Ranworth Island (on the left if you come to Malthouse by boat) with ferry service from the Staithe and parking at the Malsters.

You will find generally that sailies and stinkies alike inhabit the forum - and on the whole we are very mutually supportive and work towards good understanding. Wherever possible we try to avoid stereotyping and saily v. stinky slanging, except in a spirit of good humour, which usually abounds.

Hope to see you at the weekend.

Danny

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Hi Pitters,
Hope you can make it ,like Lord Paul i ,love motorcycles, and the thought of gill and me chugging along on one of these well dont know what to say,but Brill sounds right.
Bye the way i am over 60,Can feel the kids inheritance getting another blow.
If you do come could you bring some brochures and stuff i can drool over.
The very thought of chugging by a sailey on one of these   Evil Grin

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Jun-22-2006 @ 6:43 PM                           Permalink
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Well, what can I say?
I will try to make a visit to Ranworth on Saturday,(I've got rellies visiting) but it will be by road as my method of water-borne transport is not yet acceptable.... but if I do make it I will try to bring it with me so you can have a look at its design, the jet drive, armchair seating etc.

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aaaahhhh.
Just read the "gossip" post on waterskiing v wakeboard poll.....
not every pwc wants to pull waterskiers or wakeboarders behind them. Myself included. But again, a common misconception is that every user wants to blatt along at high speed.
Waht was thepol result?

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Pitters

This is the link I think you are looking for

http://www.the-norfolk-broads.co.uk/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=21&Topic=4470&keywords=poll

For the poll.
You may have to click on the view results button I belive.


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Hi Pitters,

Welcome to the forum

On this and other Broads related forums, feelings tend to run high regarding the subject of watersking and wakeboarding. By the very nature of the sport, waterskiers have to exceed the limit to be able to ski, although for years this has been tolerated, even if it does seem unfair to the other craft who are told to keep an eye on their wash and limit their speed. More recently wakeboarding has crept in on the back of watersking and given both sports a really bad press. By the very nature of the sport, wakeboarders need to create a wash to wake board and will even ballast their boats to create more wash. This sport is totally out of place on narrow rivers environmentally sensitive rivers with other users plodding along at slow speeds.

Having said all that, the current byelaws do allow for waterski and wakeboarding boats to still navigate the waters, without a tow behind them, at the normal speed limits for all other boats and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, therefore why not allow PWCs if they stick to the same limits? It does seem grossly unfair.

One further thing I would add, which has made the press even worse, is that a few people have seen waterskiers / wakeboarders speeding outside the allowed zones and without a tow behind them. I guess that once they have finished the watersking / wakeboarding, the frustration of a 5 or 6mph cruise back to base becomes too much after the high speed and therefore they speed home.

Hope this gives you some background to the highly debated topic. I still agree with you though, that any craft should be allowed, within certain upper size constraints, providing they can keep within the speed limits.

Keith

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Hello Keith.
Thank you for taking time to respond. You have made some very pertinant points, which I whle heartedly agree with. However... if an authorised ski boat contravenes the agreed "exemption" then the operator should and MUST be taken to task. They must either abide by the exemtion rules or suffer the consequences of a potential withdrawel of the licence.

As a State Registered Paramedic, I abide by the "exemption " rules every day, when responding to a 999 emergency call made by a member of the public... BUT... I have to account for my actions in doing so, especially if it goes Pete Tong. Under NO circumstances am I allowed to apply an "exemption" at will...  so any water ski craft operating outside the permitted areas or times should likewise be penalised.

As to the "modification" of a crafts trim, by the altering of the ballast... I would have thought that the BA would have placed some restraints on this, as you rightly say, it increases the wash / wake created.

And in closing, as you also aknowledged, there seems no rationale, in the exclusion of craft that just want to poodle along and enjoy the still waters at slow speed.

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