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I have owned Annie (Easticks 28 Gaff River Cruiser) RCC-225 for nearly 3 years and have gleened some information about her history and the class history, but I'm sure there must be more in the collective mind of the forum.

What can you tell me?

Was the hull design based on an existing boat?
How many built?
Any other owners on the Forum?

Many thanks

AndyH

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Andy I'm really not the knowledge holder on this one, but some of this will point the way to who is?

Neil Hunt designed the Easticks 28 in about 1981?. It was a joint venture with David Berry (then owner of Easticks).

Neil claimed the idea was based upon classic cruiser/racers like the Sabrinas, but the lines don't bear this out at all. In design terms the E28 is far more block efficient and there's a pronounced rise from the rear of the keel to the transom, which prevents them from squatting in their own wake whilst driving hard.
Anyway - as you'll discover if you meet him - most things Neil says need to be taken with pinches of salt.
The E28 was the first GRP hull to be formally approved by the RCC. It was followed by Leslie Landamore's 28 foot Matilda design, but approval for this was delayed by controversy, and I'm not sure that Andrew Wolstenholme's Faringdon 25 design, which appeared later, did not pip if for second place.
Anyway: back to the E28s, the first of which was Neil's own boat Woodpecker. All as far as I am aware were built at Easticks. Actually they were closer to 27.9 in overall length, if I remember correctly. Its a powerful hull, and the fastest ever example was Ted Brewsters Marylyn Anne which sailed to 1% or scratch. Nowadays M/A sails with a reduced plan, but the former big Bermudan rig survives on Firebird. Other fast E28s are Joy and Wanderer. During the heyday of construction, David Berry had been supplied with a job lot of pine to build masts, and these proved less than durable, with the result that  E28 dismastings were common, particularly in one notorious Yare Navigation Race when they went down like ninepins. I believe all of these have now shattered, so the problem's in the past.
I think 3 basic variants of the E28 were built.
The first were fully rigged gaff boats to the spec of Woodpecker; then came the three quarter rigged (smaller sailplan), of which White Rose, Picus and Poppy are examples.
Masts for these are generally uncrossed.
There was also a hire boat variant which Berry used to supply his own fleet and others. Here the mould was extended to provide slightly more freeboard to the finished yacht.

I can't guess the exact number of E28s in class or hire, but Neil or the RCC could probably tell you.
Neither do I know if the mould survived the disastrous  Easticks fire which destroyed the River Cruiser Vanessa, amongst others.
I think the E28 is a good design which has produced some fine boats. If there is a fault - its that for its length and available layout, its a cramped 4 berth, or an over-indulgent 2 berth.
I think its generally accepted that early keel design  was not good, and if yours has one of these I'd change it first chance.If you've got one of the old masts, then it will probably do the job for you!



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Hi Andy,
just to add some additional things from Realaler, E28 Joy is owned by a friend of mine who has now had an integral topsail rig replacing the racing gaff rig. This current rig is for sale. Also Joy had her keel replaced with a more aerodynamic one which is very wide and hollow, and is big enough to fit an electric inboard into! Poppy currently has whats known as the cruising rig. I have been told that for some reason when the stub which the iron ballast keel attaches to was moulded, it was not square and subsequently the keel is not parallel. There is one for E28 for sale which has a tall bermudan rig, and she really does look good.
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Mat

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I guess that would be 222 Swallowtail Matt, she's on a couple of brokers' sites?

Marilyn Anne must've gone like a train with the big bermudan rig if her performance now is anything to go by; she leaves us for dead with the integral topsail rig and we're supposed to be off 4%!

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When the River Cruiser Class start discussing handicaps, it's time for lesser mortals to leave the stage.

Phil

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You're right Phil, free speech notwithstanding, that's possibly the one subject that should be taboo on this site...

...suffice it to say that our biggest handicap is the helmsman...

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I had a feeling that Mike Barnes got hold of both the 28 and 30 ft moulds but may be wrong.

'You may only be going from Loddon to Reedham Ferry but I still don't think that the power lead you have connected will be long enough' Bill...

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There was no E30 mould/design that I am ever aware of.
There were of course 28 and 30 foot variants of the Landamore Melinda designer, the 30 footers generally refered to as Matilda's, after Anthony's yacht.
There is of course a 30 foot Faringdon Hull(Firebird, Bewitched, etc), but I rather think this is a design in its own right rather than an extruded lines from the very successful 25. Andrew Wolstenholme would of course know.
Barnsy & Co have been using a number of different moulds including their own, so much knowledge may be gleaned there. The mould which spawned Cuckoo and Farthing was deliberately destroyed so this pair of yachts is now as unique as any two yachts can ever be.
The original E28 prototype Woodpecker was stored high  
above Lake Lothing on the right bank looking towards Lowestoft, awaiting serious damage repair.
It probably still is.

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Oh right, I was assuming that The Scimitars they built in the mid 80's were from there own mould but they could just as easily bought in from Landamore's. I remember seeing them built starting in the dry shed and then being carried foreward into the dock of the wet shed for final fitting out.

As a matter of interest how do you tell an E28 from an L28?

'You may only be going from Loddon to Reedham Ferry but I still don't think that the power lead you have connected will be long enough' Bill...

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They're really quite different Bill.
Both are full chested, but the Landamore design has broad flat runs aft, leading to a much bigger transom.
Not unlike some older Press brothers designs.
The result: perhaps too much wetted area for light airs work, but a very fast in brisk winds and a blow.
Walk next door to Greenways and take a look at Jessie May if she's still stored there. JM is a Melinda hull sister.
Landamore's are also stiffer than E28s which have very soft turns to the bilge, and need a really good keel/ballast combination to make them behave.
L28/30s don't make for such pretty yachts, but I suspect it's a better all-round  hull design than the E28?


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