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Are the Silver Melody, Silver Rhapsody, from Silverline Marine, a reincarnation of the Elysian/Bounty 27 (with revised superstructure)? If so, great! It proves what a classic design concept Appleyard-Lincoln had, when first producing the mould back in 1963. If not, good luck to Silverline, there is a shortage of aft cockpit boats of this size for hire anyway.
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I suspect not, but rather the Classic 27' moulding they might even have the mould 
'You may only be going from Loddon to Reedham Ferry but I still don't think that the power lead you have connected will be long enough' Bill...
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Thanks Bill, I thought that you might have the answer.I know of the yard's liking for Bounty moulds and put two and two together.
It looks a nice craft, fridge in cockpit seems a bit quirky nowadays, common at one time, but handy for drinks when dining al fresco.
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Anyone got any pictures of the Rhapsody yet?? We've booked this boat for the Easter week and apart from a photo that Dan had of the earlier model (Silver Melody from 2004), there doesn't appear to be any in the Hoseasons' brochure or on the Silverline website? I suspect the lack of photo's is due to it being a new boat along with its "sister"?? boat the Silver Melody?
Getting all excited now (I presume this is the "norm" for "first timers"?? If not - I'm not going to the docs cos it's a great feeling!!)
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Yes a certain 'bounceyness' is quite normal and can be controlled by taking home a few bottles on Adnams or Woodfordes from the supermarket if you can get it (Woodfordes will send by post if the symtoms get really bad.)
Having double checked yes Classic 27 hull with a Foster designed deck moulding and cabin. I am just wondering whether she is completely new or whether she is a complete rebuild like I'm slowly doing with Sanalto (another Foster Classic) If she is there is nothing wrong with that. Willow bought a good number of the hulls which started life with a somewhat strange set of own made tops a number of these were later rebuilt and just before they closed the last one came out as a really most attractive dual steer aft cockpit version. The beauty of the Foster deck moulding is that you can fit a number of different cabins to it very easily. It might be that there will be slight differences between the boats.
Anyway nice boats to handle cabin floors are quite low so good headroom but steering position quite high so good views. If you come to Loddon at Easter do look in I'd very much like to see her, might give me some ideas
'You may only be going from Loddon to Reedham Ferry but I still don't think that the power lead you have connected will be long enough' Bill...
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On the subject of the Elysian/Bounty hull, I was talking to someone up at Aquafibre (and as per Bill's comments to my question some months ago) and apparently they do indeed still have the Bounty 27 hull moulding tools.
They stated that they could still build you a brand new Elysian/Bounty 27 hull/superstructure for around £15k+vat.
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James.
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Thanks for the info Bill, all things being equal we should be calling in at Loddon at least once during our week on the water. Do we chuck the mudweight out as we pass and hope it stops us cos these boats don't have brakes do they??  Or is it a case of launch that pointy thingy at the bank with rope attached and hope it grips??  (Only joking guys - honestly!!)
Now where did I put that sextant that I picked up at a car boot?? 
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NO just toot five times which means don't talk about port and starboard 'cause I have no idea!!
'You may only be going from Loddon to Reedham Ferry but I still don't think that the power lead you have connected will be long enough' Bill...
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Of the two in IMHO the Classic 27 is the better hull it has a slight outward flair at the waterline, which if correctly ballasted reduces wash and makes it the more stable of the two designs. Having looked at a certain database perhaps I can add a bit more detail to the history of the design as I understand it. Firstly the moulding has nothing to do with Classic Cruisers of Thorpe but was designed by ‘Classic Mouldings’ (I think at Oulton Broad), that I know from Adrian Fagg the one time owner of Classic Cruisers. They did build on one of the mouldings (Smuggler) however. There was just a hull mould, nothing else, not unusual at the time. Initially all the deckwork and cabin topsides were wood either varnished or in some case sheathed in GRP cloth. Adrian’s used Iroko and was built in 78/79.
A variety of styles were produced, a number like Adrian’s were of forward control style. Ernest Collins had a similar style on hire for many years (Crystal Emblems 1-4) which, ended up on Herbert Woods fleet. Sumercraft also had a similar boat but with a fold down berth. Willow craft built a series of rather strange designs with centre steering and an elevated steering position. Others were built on conventional centre cockpit lines with cabins fore and aft. Back in 75/76 Classic cruisers had also built a couple wooden sided aft cockpit versions J 712/713 employing their characteristic square and triangular windows. These seem to have been the inspiration for the Foster-Classics.
(A bit of guesswork next) There was a company Called Smith & Foster at Brundall, which later became Wing Lines owned by Rip Martin of Martins Plastics. There was also Foster Marine at Thorpe that I think continued to mould on the site after moving their hire fleet to Brundall, and I think that hire operation is what became Silverline. There was a plaque on my 27 which referred to Foster Marine /Thorpe and I’m guessing that they bought the classic mould.
As already noted Foster’s made a deck moulding to fit over the Classic hull but it was unusual because it was not a deck and cabin moulding just deck and the upstanding cabin sides which could be altered for different configurations.
'You may only be going from Loddon to Reedham Ferry but I still don't think that the power lead you have connected will be long enough' Bill...
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Bill,
Now you're confusing me (easy to do!) from my memory J712/712 were from Classic Leisure Cruisers not Classic Cruisers - I thought these were different yards - Classic Cruisers did have a fleet of Classic 27 - Barracuda - one of the first sedan style versions, very distinctive - one is still moored at Ranworth, but never in a location I can get a piccie ... Roya any chance
Craig
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