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jamesbagnall |
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After spending the past few weeks looking at various cruisers for purchase, I am fascinated by the Elysian story.
The Elysian register does not have a great deal of detailed information about the types of boat produced - from wooden superstructured in the early 60's to the later Bounty superstructured models.
Can anyone fill me in on the history of this type of boat? For example, did Bounty eventually buy the moulds or just the hull design?
I have looked at both the 'original' Elysian 27 (that is the original full GRP design) and the Bounty version - there seems to be a huge difference in price between the Elysian and Bounty models.
Anyone shed any light?
Cheers,
James.
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Well the register can be found on
http://www.elysianboats.co.uk/
I don't know not being a member what else there is behind the scenes. As I understand it the basic hull mould remained the same throughout but it was the deck moulding that altered. Meakes produced the first changes with the centre cockpit version with the layout reversed and the saloon foreward. I always assumed that this was an expedient to reduce production costs by making the layout similar to an aft cockpit design it also piggybacked on the successful Seamaster 30 design only smaller. There were various attempts to increase cabin space at the expense of cockpit room and both open plan layouts as well as separate cabins. Finally bounty sought to update the overall appearance and created something to my mind which was much better than the Seamaster 813 although others might not agree
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We own one of the middle vintage (late 70's) ones. I'm not sure if this applies to all boats around our vintage, but the internals are mainly of GRP as opposed to the wooden interiors of the earlier boats. Although not as traditional as the wooden ones, the GRP interiors wear very well. It may be this, and the younger age, that makes them more expensive. I have to say, I prefer the looks of the older version, but they are always tattier than ours.
The later version, with the single cabin, is still being hired on the Broads (by Barnes and Royalls, to name a couple), but I bet they will be sold on in the next couple of years.
Finally, over the last couple of years I have seen several new versions of the bounty, all the sedan version, which looks surprisingly contemporary.
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Hi all
The Bounty Owners Club has details of the two aft cockpit designs they ran with.
I was pleased to see Crown Gem's from Richardsons have been stripped back to the bare plastic and rebuilt with totally new interiors around the original layout but open plan...should mean these are around for some time yet, even if the others you mention do disappear!
Also nice to see them repaint these craft into a smart, almost classy colour scheme! Mikes a nice change and they look great! Yay! 
All the best
Dan
P.S Links to Bounty Club through my website if you can't find it!
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Thanks Dan.
Interestingly, the picture of Crown Gem that you have posted, looks quite different to the craft I posted on the other thread (about York Marine's Hampton Safari - I started to go a bit off topic on that one I fear!!).
That is to say, there is an extra window on the York Marine boats I have seen - whereby on Crown Gem, she has a panel in this place.
Makes Crown Gem look more old fashioned I think.
Good that they have given some of these older Bounty's a new lease of life for a bit though down at Stalham.
Cheers,
James.
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Hi James
Yup, the one in my pic is a Bounty AC Mark 1, the one at York Marine is a Mark 2...which like you say has quite a different appearance and window/cabin top styling.
I somehow prefer the mark 1, but think like you say the later one is probably nicer, and more stream-lined I think!
Dan
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Hi i am a new member so hi to every one, i bought a maderia jgm 27 in feb it was owned by the same owner from new, i have all the log and history i found out that she is the boat what was built for the boat show in 1972,i have under taken bringing it into a modern world.
i have tried writing to the elysian club but with no joy, i can't think were else i could try i am wanting to know about the electics she a pos/earth.cheers jim
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Hi i am a new member so hi to every one, i bought a maderia jgm 27 in feb it was owned by the same owner from new, i have all the log and history i found out that she is the boat what was built for the boat show in 1972,i have under taken bringing it into a modern world.
i have tried writing to the elysian club but with no joy, i can't think were else i could try i am wanting to know about the electics she a pos/earth.cheers jim
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Hi all
Interesting thread. We are the proud owners of an Elysian 27 centre cockpit. I did ask for some information on here previousely specificaly about our own boat and had a very good responce about her history.
There is an Elysian register as already mentioned. Yes I joined when we bought the boat. And that was it, end of story, no communication... There is not as far as I am aware and Elysian Club in the same vain as for example Seamaster etc. Which has always struck me as very strange with their popularity. If anyone knows different please do tell.
Below is a link to Jones boatyard who have some very interesting original documentation on Elysians.
Jones
Graeme
All right so what is the technical name, sharp end or pointy end?
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If you have one, why don't you start one? I did when I couldn't find anything about Normans and the count is some 846 Normans and still rising!
Trevor
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