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Hello all.

Long time no post on the forum - a new baby has taken rather a lot of time recently Smile )

Anyway, just to add to my seemingly fleet of boats, I've just bought a little tiny 16ft thing with an inboard diesel from AYB at St Olaves.

Her reg is P343 and is described on Craigs DB and on the brokers site as being Norman 16 based. Now to be honest, I'm not sure she is actually a Norman - is suspect not based on her hull shape, but the jury is still out. Anyone any suggestions (more photos to follow).

What really intriges me, is the mark on the side, where the broker says a plaque has been removed. Now clearly she's never been a hire boat as she just isn't that sort of vessel, but can anyone shed any light on the shape of the plaque that's been removed from both identical sides on the bow??

Also, if anyone knows the history of this little craft, other than what I can obtain from Craigs DB, I would be interested (never know, someone on here might have owned her at one time??).

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And a picture of the plaque I was talking about....

Any ideas people?


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Can't help you identify her but that looks to be a very sensible small cruiser for the Broads! I hope that you and your family have very many happy hours aboard her.

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That plaque scar looks bull finch shaped, or even Red Whale shaped.

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Yes, I thought it looked like a bird too - it wouldn't have interested me (as it's covered in scrapes and bruises!!) but its the fact they are identical on both sides.

Very odd.

Best wishes,

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"Norman Type Design"

I'm with you James, no way.  Most brokers say "Shetland" when they don't know !

A 16ft fibreglass cabin boat with a shaft drive and a round bilge non-planing hull.

That rules out Normans, Shetlands, Maylands, Pilots, Buckinghams, Dolphins, and the like.

The superstructure moulding looks post 70, and the flat mahogany framed windscreen looks like a DIY job, (although maybe quite nice quality, just unusual for mass production !).

The tremendous flare on the pulpit also looks like a non-bespoke part.

I'd say she's a one-off, from a superstructure/hull moulding, and fitted by the owner.

The Renault Diesel on the shaft drive doesn't sound "production" at all, not for a 16ft cruiser.  

As Peter's said, eminently suitable for the Broads, unlike outboard powered planing craft.

The "bird plaques" could be red herrings (or red robins), just that the original owner may have been an ornithologist as well as a boat owner !  Smile


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Hi Strowager,

Thanks for that - yes, my thoughts exactly, I'm yet to see a Norman with a round bilge. I wonder what she is then, as I can't quite place the moulding to be honest.

It's obviously purpose designed for an inboard diesel, not just because of the lack of well in the stern, but because she has proper glassed in engine bearers etc (photo attached).

I've not seen her in the flesh (how risky I am buying a boat from internet photos only!!) but I'm also intruiged as to how the shaft drive is fitted to such a small craft.

Yes, I agree with the hull designs for inland use - I've also got a Microplus 561 which is a great little thing, but having a (semi??) planning hull, she is a nightmare are slow speed, which is a problem on my tight mooring (anyone want to buy a nice little Microplus 561 on braked twin axle trailer by the way?;)).

Best wishes,

James.

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Inboard diesel showing glass bearers.....


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An 8hp diesel engine....

You'll be filling up on alternate years.

The top moulding is quite angular, and with raked windows, quite "modern" styling, and yet the round bilge hull looks like the Swedish Albin, (although they were 25ft motor sailors).

I've got quite a few 60s to 90s guide books, Boat World etc., and I've looked through them and can't see anything like it at all.

Yes, the wonderful thing about steering displacement boats at 5mph is that not only can you glance at a map whilst steering without hitting the bank, but you can even rummage around in the lockers for a sandwich or a flask....  Smile

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I think I have seen the plaque on other boats at some time and think it could be either a Swift or Swallow.

May be completely wrong though  Blush

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