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Just a quick question....

What are the rules of Double Mooring?  Private to Private, Hire to Hire, Private to Hire and Hire to Private?

I am concerned that someone may moor against Tuppence but her bow end isn't very strong.  You really do have to be careful where you stand on it.

I don't want to be sneered at if I refuse to let someone moor against us or can I, politely of course, say no and explain why?

Many thanks!


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Mar-29-2005 @ 12:45 PM                           Permalink
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I asked a boatyard owner about this some years ago and he said that there is no obligation whatsoever to allow another boat to double moor alongside if you don't want them too. A possible exception may be where the mooring is privately owned and the owner insists on double or treble mooring to maximise his revenue.

Even so, best to quietly refuse permission as not all boaters resepect other craft...some of them don't even respect their own. It doesn't happen a lot to us as our boat, a Princess 33, has very high sides and people find it next to impossible to get on her especially when the rear canopy is up!

My lo-tech idea was to make a nice sign out of uPVC with stick-on letters saying "Private - No Mooring" and hang it from the deck cleats when double mooring is a potential threat. Seems to work  Smile

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Thanks for your advice!

We found that because the weather wasn't too good at the weekend there were a lot of boats trying to moor at the pubs (Horning).  

I guess that the pub owners would not be too happy if we refused others to moor so we ended up sitting outside to keep an eye on things!

Bit nippy but all was well!  

I think that hire craft users do tend to avoid private boats and in general only moor to other hire craft.


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Hi Christina, You have me a tiny bit worried when you say your bow is not that srong. Do you mean your foredeck? If so, my I suggest that you effect some temporary repairs. In a panic it is perfectly possible for you to leap on or off board and if your foot goes through you can do something nasty, some painted marine ply screwed to the deck may not look elegant but at least will be safe.

In contradiction (if I may) to Dibbler if you are on a public mooring it depends where you are. In some places there is not enough room but at others, such as Reedham, two deep is specificially permitted. There is no distinction between Private and Hirecraft. You are there as a guest and have absolutely no right to put any sign up saying in effect 'hands off'. Neither do you had any right to use a dinghy to obstruct someone else from mooring against the quayhead.

Pardon but, foolish is the private owner who objects to someone putting, perhaps, slightly muddy footprints on their decks so that they can 'walk' their boat back to clear water before motoring away. The alternative is far worse for all parties.

One of the things to be regreted is the way that some holiday makers today seeem to stand around witing for others to c*ck *t *p. In the past in was only good manners to help later arrivals to slot in comfortably, and indeed leave peacefully the following day or whenever. Something called shared enjoyment I believe.

If your boat is a bit fragile and you are not leaving early a nice big hire boat makes a very effective fender. On the otherhand if you want to get away at the crack of dawn and their is limited space, help one in and then moor on the outside of them so you can get away cleanly. Who knows get chating and you might find another member for the forum  

You don't have to tell us anything my Brother in Law has a boat on the upper Thames  Bill...

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Sorry my spelling is getting as bad as Jake's but rushing around cleaning Boats like wot Roy said Evil Grin

You don't have to tell us anything my Brother in Law has a boat on the upper Thames  Bill...

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What an intersting thread. I must admit that I will got out of my way to not double moor. I once got penned in at Reedham and had to make an early start for the tide, which I had explained to the chap who wanted to moor next us, "no problem mate".

Must admit that they were very nice people, and really enjoyed the Lord Nelson, they must have come back and forth about a dozen times in the evening.

One of the problems with a yacht is that with the awning up there's not much room to walk around, and there tend to be more ropes to trip over, thankfuly no one fell in.

When morning came the skipper and crew didn't want to get up, and asked if we could move his boat for him. Now trying to move a large crusier by hand with an ebb tide is a pain, but we did manage it.

On the other hand most boaters and more tham happy to let you moor up next to them.

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One of the things to be regreted is the way that some holiday makers today seeem to stand around witing for others to c*ck *t *p. In the past in was only good manners to help later arrivals to slot in comfortably, and indeed leave peacefully the following day or whenever. Something called shared enjoyment I believe.

I have also noted the decline in the manners of some holiday makers......More noticeable was my sister and brotherinlaw. Betty and I had been up to the shops in wroxham, while we were moored at a boatyard. The rain came pouring down in buckets, and when we got back soaked, I noticed a boat trying to turn in the basin, and was finding it impossible due to the lenght of the craft.I asked my brotherinlaw, what the guy was trying to do, and he said ,Dont know, but hes been trying this for about 20mins.......Well needless to say, I told him a thing or two, and stormed out to help the poor guy.he was an elderly chap, who had brought his family to the broads for the first time, and had picked a 44footer for his first boat. He was so relieved when I got him moored up, that he offered me A few cans of beer, to which I declined, This was one of the things that I liked about the boats which was the willingness to help , and Be helped.

P.S......That was my last holiday with my brotherinlaw. Smile  

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We got little or no help when we first started boating so we vowed to try and reverse the trend. We always offer to help people having difficulty...to us it's a part of Broads boating. Correct handling of a boat is not something which comes naturally to everyone...particularly when Norfolk throws some of it's famous Ranworth cross-winds and Acle Bridge mini-twisters...usually at maximum ebb time!

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Bill my friend...please accept my apologies...it was never my intention to distiguish between hire and private boats...to me there is no difference...we're all boaters. The "Private - No Mooring" sign reference was meant for anyone to use one on their boat if they're reluctant to allow double-mooring...not just private owners.

Even on a public mooring, the advice from the boatyard owner I mentioned was still the same...in his opinion, it's up to the skipper of the boat (hire or otherwise) whether or not he or she is prepared to permit the double-moor.



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Double mooring / treble mooring is a necessity in many salt-water car-parks (try Lymington on a busy day)- but there you always moor up to the harbour wall  - not to the boat alongside as I've often seen on the Broads. Hire boats rarely have enough rope to do this properly - and think of the consequent weight on the cleats - or am i being paranoid? PaulW

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