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terryclarke
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Dear Forum members and memberesses

I’m having major problems sleeping at the moment and to get to sleep I have been staring at the bedroom ceiling thinking about the Broads in an effort to push other issues out of my mind.

Somehow I got to thinking what would I do to turn the Broads back to how I would like to see it.  For me the Broads was best when there were lots more hire boats about, lots more boatyards and everything seemed to be busy and thriving but not hectic, so I guess this is mid-70’s.  I guess everyone’s ideas would be different of how their ideal Broads would be, so that’s the first question posed.

How would I make it happen, no flipping idea, but the thought did strike me would it be good or bad if the Broads were connected up to the canal network?  I assume this has been thought of before by much cleverer people than me although I can’t seem to find anything on a search about such an idea.

Accepting the challenge of much digging required but hey that’s been done before, and the ability to overcome shed loads of red tape, planning issues, governance controls etc, how would we connect up, both north and southern rivers to the canals?

What would this do for the area?  I can see potential good points, more holiday activity stimulating the local economy hopefully sustaining a few more boat yards and local businesses.  Would narrow boats have lower height clearance and make getting through the bridges easier and therefore making some places slightly more accessible?

Would it be a good thing for the ecology of the Broads, water levels, wild life etc.

Things all far too complex for my little brain to take in but I would be really interested to read what the more informed views and opinions are from the experts which form this forum. So that's the second question posed.

Hopefully something which may stimulate some really interesting posts which I look forward to reading.

Maybe I should just get some sleeping pills!!

Many thanks

Regards to all

Terry


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Terry

There were some plans a few years ago to connect the Broads with the north rivers towards Kings Lynn.

I have no idea now what the plans were or how it was going to be done, just remember something about it.

Any one else remember this???



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I find a glass or two of Bushmills useful on those occasions.  Smile
Whilst I share your enthusiasm for the survival of the Broads I would be a little concerned about any joining of the canal system (other rivers would be another matter), The non tidal Thames users currently are experiencing an influx of narrowboats from the canals due to the EA giving them reduced visitor licences, this is apparently causing serious problems at moorings as they are not prone to rafting up as the canal system neither needs or lends itself to the practice. Can you imagine two 70 foot narrow boats at some of our moorings, there are also a higher proportion of long term cruisers & live aboards among narrowboaters and they are sometimes a little reluctant to comply with the 24 hour mooring rule. Winding holes on the Ant?


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Terry has hit the nail on the head. If The Broads are to survive as a holiday destination the whole industry has to re invent itself.This includes the BA,boat yards and riparian owners.
Where I live there plans afoot to link the Severn with the Thames by a simpler canal network. What a waterway this will then become.It will be in this holiday market that The Broads will have to compete.
Antares is right,narrow boats are not suitable for use on the Broads and Broads boats are to wide for canals.Les.

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I have often wondered at the thought of linking the Waveney to the Ouse, only a matter of yards Wink

Is it desirable? In some respects I quite like the idea, but the upheaval to the upper reaches of the delightful Waveney would be catasthrophic, best leave things as they are.

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Was there not some plan to link to the canal system thru Norwich?

Rod

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I understand that there is a current scheme to link the Grand Union canal at Milton Keynes with the Great Ouse and hence the Fenland river system. I also read that there was once a plan to link one of the Fenland rivers, possibly the Little Ouse River to the Waveney, via Bungay and Redgrave Fen. Although this link was never built, it would probably still be feasible. Given the current passion for building/ressurecting old waterways,   perhaps the link with the canal system will happen one of these days.

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Given the right amount of investment, and it would be a tremendous amount that would be needed, it would be possible to link the Broads to the Fens and via there to the canal and river network. Unfortunately, I doubt if it would ever happen through public funding. Governments of all political persuasions tend to offer it, delay payment, and then cut it to pay for other ‘politically’ sensitive ideas in the run up to elections. The current threat to the British Waterways funding is a good example.

The other question, would it be good for the Broads? Like others, I have mixed feelings. On the plus side, there is a whole wide world out there. Using the broad ‘gauge’ canals and rivers, a Broads Cruiser could go through the Middle Level Navigations to the River Nene and down to Northampton. Unfortunately, the short link from there to the Grand Union is narrow ‘gauge’. If that could be re-built to broad ‘gauge’, then you could go down the Grand Union to London, onto the Thames, up to Reading and along the Kennet and Avon to Bristol. That would be a great trip! (In this flight of fancy I have taken no cognisance of bridge heights or water depths!)

However, on the other side, is there space for a 60’ narrowboat coming the other way and tootling around on the Broads?  “Winding holes on the Ant” was a spot on comment.

I did not know there was a ‘24hr rule’ on the Broads? I don’t think narrowboaters would make much difference in this area if there is one; the last time I was on the Broads all the ‘nice’ public moorings were permanently filled with private boats that never appeared to go anywhere. Smile

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Join up with the canal network? No thanks. Leave the Broads alone... spend the money on maintaining them as the unique environment they are. Just think how much mooring space would be required in Paddy's Lane for a handful of 65 foot canal boats!!

Danny

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A link from the Waveney to the Great Ouse has been suggested on occasion: a lot of upheaval would be involved and it would be a tortuous route to or from the midland canal network, which would of itself limit the likely traffic and make it economically very doubtful. Under-used canals are a continual problem to keep open for navigation and invite vandalism and the "anglers-only" fringe.

As regards narrow boats, there are several about on the northern broads, looking out of place to my mind but not intrinsically harmful (there are ex-Broads boats on the Grand Union looking equally lost). The BA has imposed a 46 foot limit, presumably in part to minimise the mooring problem (and if a link were made the limit could be upheld by the length of the necessary locks). Owners I have spoken to agree that there are some handling problems especially in the Yarmouth area. I was very grateful in December 1992 when one narrow boat kept a navigable channel open across Barton Broad when it was frozen over and those of us in GRP boats could have been in big trouble. Something to be said for steel hulls!

If the North Walsham & Dilham restoration could gain some real momentum we might find that the IWA and the rest of the canalcoholics might take more interest in the Broads (whether that would necessarily be good is another matter).

Overall I think a link is highly unlikely because of the cost for the likely traffic.

Shakespeare

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