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JM, "Pikey" no longer refers to any particular race any more than "Gay" any longer means a happy or showy, bright or flamboyant. (although most gays I know are both happy & bright) The English language is a constantly evolving and absorbing one. The only people that should be offended by my post are pikey scumbags and for that I make no apology, and they are as far removed from Decent honest Romany Gypsies as you can find. Also should you wish to cling to the belief that I was referring to Gypsies then my comments would have been Xenophobic, not racist.

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Oh dear Mods - back to the "d*mned if you, d*mned if you dont"...

whats the point of a forum and debate, dare I ask?!

I think that generally the comments have been made fairly from various view points, within the arena of an internet forum. I see no hatred or racism directed, PLEASE can we hear views!

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I'm confused as to why 1 or 2 members on this thread consider the word "Pikey" as offensive or racist given the fact a vast majority of the Travelers describe themselves as Pikeys ?? Question

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Karen,

I think you're absolutely right. There has been a generally good debate on this thread, and any possible racist or Xenophobic statements have been made in all innocence. I haven't seen anything in need of moderation.

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Australian guy to a very dear friend he had not seen for a very long time (me) "how are you you old Ba*&tard"). I did not take it as bringing my parentage into question or offensive, it's the way the Australian version of English has evolved and a term of endearment.


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quote:"......
I'm confused as to why 1 or 2 members on this thread consider the word "Pikey" as offensive or racist given the fact a vast majority of the Travelers describe themselves as Pikeys ??
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It's not the word that's offensive, it's the completely unjustified association with the low life  responsible for the episode at Richardsons and the more general assumption that Pikey equals thief.

And David, I have to disagree with you, around our part of the world the term Pikey undoubtedly refers to travellers, almost all of whom are genuine Roma.

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Well Robin, in my part of the world it does not, are you suggesting the culture & use of language in my part of the world is less valid than that in yours?
See how far it can go.

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All,

Let's not loose sight of the common enemy here. The lowlife who set the fire, I hope that some day they are on the receiving end of such acts of vandalism. In the meantime let's not score an own goal and start argueing amongst ourselfs.

I also think that at least one of the boats was a private boat for sale, let's hope they had insurance.

Wikipedia Definition
Contemporary usage
In recent years, the definition has become looser and is sometimes used to refer to a wide section of the (generally urban) underclass of the country, particularly those on whom the lower middle classes look down, or merely a person of any social class who "lives on the cheap". When used to refer to either Irish Travellers or Gypsies, it is considered to have racist connotations; even when it refers to others, many people still consider it to be derogatory and offensive. Pikey is also commonly used as a synonym of chav, a word which is regarded as having classist rather than racist overtones. "Pikey" is equally frequently used as an adjective, as in "he lives on a pikey estate", "those clothes look pikey" or "(name of cheap shop, e.g. one where goods are always sold for one pound) is a pikey shop".

Negative British attitudes towards "pikeys" (in this case meaning Irish Travellers) were a running joke in the 2000 Guy Ritchie film Snatch, making the line "I f**king hate pikeys" (often said with a thick accent) one of many oft-quoted lines amongst the film's fans. For his role in the film, actor Brad Pitt convincingly learned how to speak fluent "pikey" (actually an unintelligible patois used for comic effect).



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Robin  Ahh right, Getting back to my earlier post you replied to, I can assure you after serving 11 years as a rural Pc in North Yorks I wasn't assuming who took the slates! I had the pleasure of interviewing many a dozen.

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This particular moderator feels darned if he does and darned if he doesn't.

Though this moderator hopes that Expilot doesn't mind a grin at "I speak as an ex-headteacher and one who has been the victim of mindless vandalism." The pictures in my head...

I don't know enough about the people who lit the fires to feel able to comment on their backgrounds. I can speculate, but I can't do more.

It seems to me that we could tie ourselves up in knots wondering about how to refer to someone who might have been (but I suspect probably was not) involved.

But in the mean time, isn't it good that we all agree that such stupid vandalism is just - stupid?

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