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The B.A. is appealing for people to come forward and join this forum

http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/news/press-releases/2006/volunteers-needed-to-advise-on-access-to-the-broads.html

Having looked at this and the linked document am I the only person who thinks it's a bit odd that the remit seems to be restricted to land access what about water access and indeed public staithes and slipways.  Does this not also link up with the Moorings survey as well?



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Very odd indeed,
morning Bill. Smile

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I wouldn`t waste too much time puzzling over this! Playful

To me, it`s perfectly cleaar which way the BA is headed with regard to Navigation, and eventually, I expect it will get it`s way!

I note that in the linked recruitment document for the Local Access Forum, Navigation is AGAIN the last of the BA`s remits to be mentioned, after Conservation (Always 1st, I notice!!) and recreation.  This is surprising, as Bill has rightly Pointed out, when this Forum is supposed to be about ACCESS to the Broads.  I was under the impression, (perhaps wrongly these days) that the best way to see the Broads is from a boat!

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Hi Folks.

I'm glad this issue has been raised - not least because I'm the Chair of the Broads Local Access Forum.

The Forum was set up under the Countryside and Rights of Way Act, 2000. That is what was known as the "right to roam" legislation.

In England, it deals purely with public access to land (although the remit is wider in Scotland) and is designed to encourage wider public access. The 'CROW Act' particlarly extended public access rights to 'mountain. moor, heath and down'. You don't need me to tell you that those landscapes are not common in the Broads.

So the forum has concentrated very much on how it could apply those principles in a Broadland context, and  how it could encourage wider access to land in the Broads: we have looked very closely at the question of public / parish staithes - we have some specialised knowledge on the subject among Forum members - and we invited Roy Kemp (who compiled the first register of such staithes) to talk to us about the problems of locating and preserving the old staithes (technically, much like some common land, staithes once created should remain public for ever. Quite how you effect that once somebody has built a house on it, is harder to explain.)

We have encouraged the Broads Authority to address these issues and to conduct an "access audit".

So, although the Broads Local Access Forum does not concern itself with access rights over the water (theoretically, the Navigation Committee has that remit. Or, at least, it used to), it does concern itself with access to the water and to the waterside. We have, on that score, enjoyed a very interesting contribution from the national campaigns officer of the British Canoe Union.

Like most people who enjoy the Broads, I enjoy navigating them, and I enjoy walking them. Work to extend access in one area does not inhibit work to extend access in another. I would like to see navigation extended - say, to re-affirm the public right to navigate on Hoveton Great Broad or above Geldeston - but equally, I'd like to see more riverside walks and cycle routes opened up.

So it's horses for courses, really. I think there is a role for the BLAF - and it would be good if some forum members joined it.

Best,
Mark Wells.

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The British canoe union campaign is something that needs watching carefully, Mark. Basically, it seems, they are asking/demanding access to every sniff of water in the country, and without consideration for existing users. The ones that could loose out most are anglers. Anglers lease many miles of non tidal watercourse, have done for years. Now the BCU wants access, and canoeists and angling are not compatible, far from it. Okay, it's an open market, the BCU can bid for waters just as anglers do, but don't just tramp all over the angling interests. Sharing the water is one thing, lack of consideration for other sportsmen is another. Rather like ramblers demanding to walk over golf courses and bowling greens, not on.  

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The idea that canoeing and angling cannot co-exist seems an over simplification, as does the BCU's view that canoeists should be free to paddle anywhere. Having been both angler and canoeist I can perhaps add to the perspective.

Certainly there are areas of the country where the two do not sit easily together. The Hampshire chalk streams would be a typical example. however in many parts of the country most water is only fit for canoeing when it's unfishable. Most of the rivers of the Yorkshire Dales, for example, can only be canoed in high spate, when there won't be an angler about. In these sorts of places, with a little bit of understanding the two can co-exist quite happily. I have canoed many miles on Yorkshire rivers without seeing an angler, and conversely have fished for a day without seeing a canoeist. They take place in different water conditions.

The other issue is over the cost of access for the waters. The anglers, in some instances pay quite a lot and feel that canoeists should as well. However there is a need to understand the different uses of the water. The canoeist is (perhaps with the exception of competetive events such as slalom) usually a traveller, and will pass through a stretch of water and move on. The following weekend, just like the hill walker going to different hills, he is likely to be somewhere else. If canoeists are going to contribute in the way that anglers do, it would only work with a model that reflects this. A trip down the upper Tees, for example, whilst no more than three or four hours of activity, would pass along the frontage of dozens of riparian owners and through th waters of several angling clubs. The next day on, say, the Swale, the situation is repeated with a different set of owners and clubs.

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The BCU certainly got a good deal out of the Broads Authority.
I am aware that they pay a covering sum in place of individual tolls on their members, but I am willing to bet that it's nothing like the £20 per craft paid by non members.
I also wonder if the figure is subject to the 13% year on year increase?? Mad

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The BCU is asking for general access, not just where anglers don't go. An example being the upper waveney above Bungay. Its suggested that it be part of a long range tourist route. Many parts are not fished, but, equelly, many parts are. One passing canoeist could ruin a days sport for an angler. Ahhh, I hear you say, but canoeists are not short of water in the Eastern Counties. If canoeists want to out bid anglers then so be it, but if canoeists are free to roam then so should be anglers.

Jenny Morgan, the Oulton Bard!

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I can understand Anglers being a bit miffed where they have invested time and money in stocking the water.

The point that occurred to me was that, as I understand it a ‘right of way’ amongst other things needs to go from one publicly accessible place to another publicly accessible place.  Where a track runs from say the highway to a slip way or staithe on the waters of the Navigation Area, because of the definition of ‘the navigation area’ it would seem to comply even if the staithe etc. is not otherwise accessible by land.


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A forum topic that shows how diverse individual views can be on sharing the water Smile

Like Robin, I too have had much enjoyment from Canoeing and Fishing, and can understand (but not agree), with both points of view.

He's already covered the complicated issues of how they co-exist elsewhere in a far more eloquent way than I could.

The current cheapest Adult BCU member subs are £29.95 per year (Adult Basic), which entitles them to paddle on any navigable waters in the UK and anywhere else where agreements have been made, (hundreds of miles).

The current BA toll for "Sailboards, rowboats, punts, canoes and kayaks" is £20 per year.

Putting on my Canoeist's hat  Tinhat , I'm amazed that the BA charge so much for such craft (pollution and noise free, requiring no slipways, moorings or BSS certificates, dredging, and causing no bank erosion.)

Worse still, the BA insist on licensing each individual Canoe/Kayak that the canoeist uses, (despite being able to use only one at a time, whilst keeping any others at home).

The BCU adopt the much more appropriate policy of licensing the Canoeist, allowing them to paddle any of their canoes, without having to pay for multiple licenses for the ones back home in the shed. Smile


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