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Karen&Mike
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There has been some comment previously around the possibility of restricted hire boat passage through Yarmouth - from simply restricting first time hirers at one end of the spectrum, to completely banning the expedition at the other end, by keeping boats to the Southern or Northern Broads i.e. within the area the hire yard is located.

Could help a revival of the Southern based yards ?  As well as totally avoiding these expensive rescues, and most importantly - tragic accidents.

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Apr-27-2022 @ 8:05 AM                           Permalink
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I haven't researched groundings and accidents on Breydon but one thing is becoming increasingly clear, many of those involved are ignoring available advice and information. Personally, I have crossed Breydon many scores of times, many of those whilst under sail or on a 21ft or 28ft sailing boat powered by a 2.5hp outboard. Effectively I have no option but to use the tides to my advantage, even if that has meant crossing in pitch darkness. In effect the tides are god.

How hard would it be for the boatyards to print off a weekly tide timetable with relevant advice and place a copy on each of their boats? Perhaps customers could be asked to sign for receipt of their timetable. Granted that customers can't be made to heed such advice but make it clear that any consequences of groundings outside advised times will be charged to the customer.

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Apr-27-2022 @ 9:29 AM                           Permalink
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Looking at the reports of the recent incident, it was hard to see any answer to the question as to why these particular two boats had ended up so far from the channel.  I recall a brief mention in one report that one boat had 'lost power'  -  does anyone know if this was the case?   If so, it may not be entirely thier fault  -  although instructions for crossing Breydon could include advice to drop your mudweight if your engine fails (which should reduce how far from the channel you could drift).

I was also slightly confused that it was reported that one boat was so far from the channel that a RIB was unable to reach it, apparently even at the next high tide.  This could be surprising  -  surely a hire cruiser would draw a lot more than a RIB?  Or had the mudflats changed with the tidal movements?



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I too saw a reference from a rescuer that one of the boats had lost power - this was in reference to why they had to be rescued after the holidaymakers initially hoped the tides would refloat them but then panicking overnight.  Well that’s what I think it said. I’ll try and find the article for clarity.

I imagine the engine wouldn't be starting after exhausts or whatever became clogged up with mud ? So I’m thinking did the inoperable engine cause the incident or was simply a result of it…?

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It doesn't really matter whether the engine failure was a cause or the result of the incident. The exhaust normally exits from the stern so should have been above the mud. The cooling water intakes would likely to be blocked and so cause over-heating issues. Maybe part of the concern was that there was a 6 month old baby on board one of the boats.

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Apr-27-2022 @ 9:55 AM                           Permalink
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On all rescue reports , be it Hemsby inshore lifeboat and HM Coastguard, even press media ,there has been no mention of loss of power,
JR , a tide time table is in the skippers manual on all hireboats, ( or should be ) , i question if this gets pointed out on handover trails ? Then gets put in a cupboard draw forgotten about for the week, again tide times are printed in the broadcaster ,

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Some quotes from news articles :


1. Coxswain Daniel Hurd said the cruiser's engine had broken, meaning "those on board were in some danger"

2. …. had to be rescued after two cruisers ran aground in low tide.The group of 17 all had to spend the night on the water before the early-morning rescue by Great Yarmouth and Gorleston RNLI.

3. Great Yarmouth and Gorleston RNLI spokesman said the alarm was initially raised on Saturday afternoon after the cruisers had become stuck on the mudflats on the River Yare due to an ebbing tide. The low tide meant a rescue was not immediately possible. The mission officially began at 4.50am on Sunday.

As news reports often get things a bit wrong I reckon points 1&3 above are most likely to be accurate as they are quotes from the emergency services involved.

Karen

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quote:"......
doesn't really matter whether the engine failure was a cause or the result
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Well I think in a discussion about safety when crossing Breydon,  information given to/understood by holidaymakers etc, how such expensive rescue operations can be avoided , and so on - it’s very relevant indeed !

Karen

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That's really good information and sheds a bit more light on 'the reasons why'

The north side of Breydon is difficult to access from shore because of the North Drain, a channel running close to the railway line that separates the mud from the path, this is accessible by small boat for much of the tide but still presents the problem of crossing the wider stretch of mud towards the channel. Brings back memories of eel fishing in the 70's



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I thought I read somewhere that the fan belt had parted which would result in overheating and i think it was quite windy.
It amazes me what people take on holiday with them I had to have a double look when it said a rabbit.
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