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Apr-26-2022 @ 4:01 PM                           Permalink
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I think change will happen,  we've got to remember this incident would of been reported to MIAB,  due to past events,  tragic events, MIAB recommended changes to BA / hireboat yards , i question if the BA  have been checking the changes recommendations, no doubt there is still room for improvement around Gt Yarmouth,  breydon water area ,

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I was very recently talking to a person involved in safety cover on the Broads, he commented that in the past many boats that ran aground would have sat it out, so to speak. Now, of course, folk can quickly pick up a mobile phone and report an incident, which the authorities are duty-bound to react to. Apparently, this has caused problems in that more serious incidents have had to be put on hold, in effect to wait their turn. I am not able to verify these comments but the availability of an instant response via a mobile phone does appear to be creating problems. I agree, there does appear to be a need to review how incidents are responded to.    

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Has the MAIB report been published yet? Where can I find it and what changes were recommended please? boat-sail

Bob Huppendoun

There would be no life without water!!!

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Interim report from dec 21 ,can't find at the moment recommendations to the BA , they maybe in the interim report below

http://the-norfolk-broads.co.uk/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=22&Topic=44449

steve and vicky
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The MAIB report hasn't been released to the public yet. The inquest, which has been repeatedly adjourned pending the report, is now scheduled for 23/05/2022.

Been hit by another boat? Report the incident to the Marine Accident Investigation Branch’s dedicated accident reporting line on 023 8023 2527 which is monitored 24 hours a day.  Help to make the Broads safer.

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In the other post on this subject suggestions for alternative solutions had been invited. I tried to think of another area which has a lot of mud and came up with Southend.

A quick review of the local paper reveals mud rescues are a frequent occurrence with the rescue vehicle of choice appearing to be the rnli hovercraft occasionally assisted by inshore ribs and the coastguard helicopter.

I guess the main difference is they are normally looking for individuals or small groups NOT  an entire boats crew of 10.

That seems to suggest the Rnli should take the lead at Breydon although it may not be cost effective to run a large hovercraft for a very restricted need.

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We regularly use these to rescue people from mudbanks on the River Tyne. Easily rolled and stowed and can be inflated quickly using a compressed air cylinder. Can be joined together to make a walkway from casualty to rescue craft


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Apr-26-2022 @ 7:11 PM                           Permalink
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Many local people will be familiar with the rivers Stour, Deban & Orwell. Plenty of tide, mud and plenty of pleasure boats. The big difference being the widespread use of hire boats on the Broads.  We all look forward to the MIAB report on the tragic event at GY. Without doubt this is a dangerous place.  Health & Safety in any field should start with the people directly involved and should work back into the management structure. It should also be flexible and easily changeable by input from those directly involved. Looking at the BA's Port Marine Safety Code I would say this was not the case. I also note that it is a rather confusing document that has a lot of stuff crammed in which would appear to be unrelated to 'Port Safety' I'm not the person to ask about what is required to make any recommendations on the subject of specific upgrades to improve safety at GY,  I was however involved with commercial marine safety matters and also for many years sailed small boats from just upstream of the Haven Bridge and have first hand experience of Breydon Mud!

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I lived near Weston-Super-Mare for a number of years and, as anyone who has been there will tell you, they have a vast expanse of mudflats which trap many people every year. They also have a large tidal range and the chosen method of rescue is a hovercraft (although I don't think they were using them when I lived there in the early 70's).

Andy

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It appears to me that the greatest problem is preventing people from running aground in the first place. Short of providing a piloting service I'm not sure what more the Authority can do. 'You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink' is a proverb that immediately springs to mind.

Jolly Roger

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