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Paladine
Jan-06-2022 @ 10:59 AM                           Permalink
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TT, banning bank fishing from all Broads No-Authority moorings would be controversial, but would have my support. But regardless of whether or not the BNA has the gumption (see, that got past the word blocker) to make such a decision, it would need an expensive change to the bye laws, and might well make entering into leasing agreements with the actual mooring owners more difficult.

As we have seen from the Hoveton Great Broad situation, the angling lobby is very powerful, despite not contributing very much to the BNA coffers (when compared to the river tolls). We also know that users of the navigation come very low on the list of BNA priorities.

If push came to shove, there is no doubt in my mind that the BNA would claim that allowing non-boaters free use of the moorings comes within  their statutory duty of "...promoting opportunities for the understanding and enjoyment of the special qualities of the Broads by the public," notwithstanding they have an equal duty of "...protecting the interests of navigation."

However, if that was/is the case, there would be a strong argument for the provision and maintenance of the moorings to be part-funded from the Secretary of State grant, rather than wholly from tolls income.

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Mr Tibbs, your comment has merit but I rather suspect that such a ban would create considerable dissent and further division along the rhond so not a move that I would support.  

In the meantime perhaps Plod should be searching out suitably blue front doors or blue boats.  

Jolly Roger

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JollyRodger, boaters have to accept that the fishing platforms provided by the EA, at no additional expense to anglers, cannot be used for mooring - even though the majority of them aren't used for most of the time. That anglers seek to deter boaters from using the facilities that they, the boaters, have paid for is anathema to me.

But, in more than two decades of boating, the only obstreperous angler I have ever encountered was a private boater, who had moored inconsiderately to leave himself enough room to fish (but that wasn't at a BNA mooring).

I don't think Plod will be doing much, other than filing the crime report.

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Pally and JR, I take both your points but would point out that such bans do currently exist at Beccles Norwich and Oulton Yacht stations and Anglers tend to stick to them and fish from their boats, yes it would be unpopular but would be easier to enforce than the "Anglers must give way" policy that is currently in play. Something needs to be done and as I say I am an Angler 1st and a boater second and even I see it.

p.s. Pally the grawlixes were my own censorship.

Dave

if it is to be it is up to me.

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Paladine wrote:

"However, if that was/is the case, there would be a strong argument for the provision and maintenance of the moorings to be part-funded from the Secretary of State grant, rather than wholly from tolls income."

That point also applies to dredging, much of which is conservation based, e.g. the bank reinstatement at Hickling. Conservation issues certainly impact on the disposal of spoil.

Some years ago the then Secretary of State granted the Broads Authority £1.5m for the purpose of catching up on the Authority's maintenance backlog. So what did he do? Wasted much of it on vanity projects such as the ill fated Dragonfly House and an unacceptable spike in staff numbers.   .

Jolly Roger

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"Some years ago the then Secretary of State granted the Broads Authority £1.5m for the purpose of catching up on the Authority's maintenance backlog. So what did he do? Wasted much of it on vanity projects such as the ill fated Dragonfly House and an unacceptable spike in staff numbers."
Sadly people forget such things and of course who remember the £460k spent on moving from Dragonfly House to the Fully Refurbished offices they currently occupy, Nobody has ever explained how you can spend that much money moving into offices that are already Fully Refurbished and rental paid on them being in that condition.

if it is to be it is up to me.

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Re the provision of angling platforms paid for by the EA, generally, that is financed out of fishing licence income.

Beccles Yacht Station, and perhaps Norwich, allows fishing out of season, Oct 30th until March 14th. Oulton Broad YS is surrounded by alternatives.

Granted that 24hr moorings are financed by the toll but in most instances, such moorings have been built where previously anglers freely fished.

The rights to navigate, to access the water, to moor and to fish must surely be defended, within reason.  

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Gents as there is no evidence of anglers being responsible in this and with JRs post along with the nature and timing it happened indicating otherwise can we please avoid another us and them argument.

I am in both camps as most will know, we moored and I  fished there recently along with other boats and anglers and we all got along just fine.

There was another case there recently of a boat being set loose along with incidents at Irstead, Gays Staithe
and Barton Turf all late at night when this time of year no anglers are likely to be present.

           Brian

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Terry, thanks for the reminder re the move to Yare House. JP's justification was twofold, what would be saved by moving from Dragonfly House and what it cost to furnish and adapt the building to the Authority's needs. Mustn't forget the costs for three officers to stay in London whilst searching out fixtures, fittings and plush office furniture. The man was like a kid in a sweet shop with a bottomless debit card!
  

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JR, I remember what he said, the cost saving in no way explains the cost in moving it try's to justify it. I'm not sure how many people are employed actually in HO but lets be generous and say 35 (I'm sure its much less) , that is £13100 per head. Bearing in mind that all the office furniture computer systems telephones etc were brand new when moving into Dragonfly house I still find it hard to comprehend.

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Terry, I could in no way justify the costs of moving to Yare House, nor the alleged savings. Like others, I did look closely but two and two did not add up to four, or even three and a half for that matter. Devious and creative justification became the order of the day and trust in the BA took a further battering.

Jolly Roger

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