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Greybeard
Dec-29-2021 @ 10:07 PM                           Permalink
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I wonder if that has been previously considered, and how the water table might affect it?

I wonder how long cattle can hold their breath.  Wink

it's not beyond reason to refrain from overtaking for a mere 9 miles surely?
especially considering the often fatal results.

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Dec-29-2021 @ 10:55 PM                           Permalink
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I totally agree with Dykedweller,it’s a quick,reasonably cheap and uncomplicated fix.and if implemented could start reducing incidents in a relatively short time.It won’t prevent the death wish drivers that you get on all of our roads,but if introduced I believe would have a marked impact on road traffic incidents.


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Dec-29-2021 @ 11:13 PM                           Permalink
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I'm familiar with the Dartford road having lived there for 26 years both before an after that road was built. The main difference is that they have installed many roundabouts at frequent intervals no doubt with the intention of adding more housing or industry at some point. I suspect that the marshland between Acle and Yarmouth is more "marshy" for want of a better term and shall not support housing estates or industrial estates. Roundabouts at regular intervals would need to be installed purely to allow traffic to reverse direction. In theory that should also act as speed regulation but then how many prangs would result from u-turns at a roundabout where the other driver did not expect to have to give way?
Personally, I believe that the idea of difficulty in providing access to the fields is simply spin. They know how complex and therefore expensive construction of a second carriageway shall be and would rather kick it into touch than invest in infrastructure that should have been simultaneous with the new harbour construction. Instead Highways can spend considerably less money on the Burlingham Bottleneck and still pat themselves on the back for improving the A47.

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Dec-29-2021 @ 12:36 AM                           Permalink
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As one who actually uses the Acle Straight, I suppose, does give me a degree of insight!

I'll start off by not telling you the tired joke of only needing a dual carriageway for people fleeing Gt Yarmouth, for those going there a single carriageway is more than ample!

Like at least one other I am of the opinion that a dualled Acle Straight will not be built any time soon. The sheer cost of building a modern road across very wet wetland will be near enough to rebuild Gt Yarmouth on higher ground. Okay, so I exaggerate . . . . .

The issue of access to grazing rights is very real, slow-moving agricultural traffic or livestock having to cross a dual carriageway is a problem that can't easily be ignored.  

Then, of course, there is the small issue of appeasing the fearsome 'save the marsh marigold' activists, I kid you not.  
  

Jolly Roger

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Dec-30-2021 @ 9:14 AM                           Permalink
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As I live within 4 miles of the said road albeit for only 5 years I think it fair to add my comments. 1,Grazing is in the main horses & a few sheep, the few cattle don't cross twice a day for milking indeed there are roadside pens & laybys on many fields for rounding up & removal, 2 Whilst there are a number of turnings none other than the Halvergate turn at Stracy Arms produce much traffic - the largest regular users are probably Network Rail staff accessing the adjacent rail line and access to a few farms.3 There was a suggestion of minor improvements at Stracy but suspect this has slipped.4 There are improvements for the A47 Yarmouth Vauxhall Roundabout in the pipeline after re-modelling to take the new Yarmouth South access bridge under construction into consideration however this still does not appear to have found a solution to pulling traffic off the Acle Straight any better hence duelling will just lead to a longer tailback at GY. 6 Speed - In my view the biggest problem. Lorries buses & the very occasional tractor each lead to a 50mph cluster which annoys some drivers & there are a significant number of cars that rarely go above 50mph possibly from fear of the roads reputation & in my experience is what produces the most outrageous attempts at overtaking. Would a 50pmh limit work I doubt it for impatient drivers or someone running late. Minimum speed limit - rarely used & I suspect some would not even go at 50 so same problem.( If I were that afraid of the road I would simply avoid it - going via Filby is not that much longer in the scheme of things) Prospect for duelling as has been said zero the cost of bringing in material to get above the flood zone would be prohibitive - just look at the height of the 150 year old railway to see that & who knows how deep piles would need to go were that option be chosen, other option a tunnel all the way - well end of story we are not HS2. Only option really more double white lines but not totally convinced (yet)

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Dec-30-2021 @ 3:12 PM                           Permalink
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As Dykedweller wrote "road safety could be improved very cheaply by painting double white lines on the total 8 mile length and making a mandatory speed limit of 50 mph. This could be easily enforced by installing an average speed camera at each end (there is only one junction in the 8 mile length) and a computer programmed to send out automatic fixed penalty notices to all transgressors who complete the journey too quickly."

I agree this might be worth a try but I am not sure what the cost of average speed cameras and associated equipment would be. Probably considerably higher than any of us would estimate since it would need to be a Home Office approved system with regular maintenance and calibration to provide suitable evidence for prosecution of offenders.
However, they have been in use for years on the A149 from Potter Heigham to Cats Common and it would be interesting to see what effect they have had on road safety there especially since they really do get plenty of slow moving agricultural traffic along that stretch of road.
Some say that most of those cameras are inoperative for a lot of the time but at least the visual deterrent is there whether the cameras are recording or not!

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Dec-30-2021 @ 3:47 PM                           Permalink
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Without doubt this is a dangerous road!  It's also a road that has probably seen more consultations and campaigns (For & Against) to dual it than any other in Norfolk, These go back to a time just after the Second World War!
Having known it myself for over 60 years and having seen accidents occurring and been in an accident on this road and having previously lived in Great Yarmouth, it is something that interests me greatly.  Originally built as a Toll road, as an alternative to the original 'old road' which goes through Mautby, Runham & Stokesby, this is a much more direct route.
One of the main problems today is that it still sits between the two ditches originally designed for the road back in the 1830's this means that any improvements are constrained by the existing width unless large scale engineering work is carried out.  In the past this has seen environmental lobbying prove successful in overturning plans, saying the cost doesn't justify environmental impact.  This has been a constant area of dispute and a particularly bitter one for the people who live in Great Yarmouth.  Having seen the large scale engineering during the building of soak dykes along the lower Bure, close to the road during the flood alleviation scheme, I can see no reason on environmental grounds why a dual carriage way could not be built while at the same time improving wildlife.  Yet it will always come down to cost.
Being level and straight the road can often be deceptive when viewing the distance of oncoming traffic (a cause of many accidents) There are no crash barriers and a car coming off the road will inevitably fall into the ditches, which are much larger than you realise (More the one person has drowned in cars in the ditch. Every time we have another serious accident like the one mentioned I feel very sad that the road has never been properly re-engineered after all the many millions of £'s spent on the many consultations.

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Dec-30-2021 @ 5:02 PM                           Permalink
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This topic is raised almost as frequently as knocking down/bypassing PH Old Bridge, and there’s nothing I can contribute to either.

But I do have a house in GY, my kids live in GY and Caister, we use the Acle Straight more than most, and Cocklegat’s “...being level and straight the road can often be deceptive when viewing the distance of oncoming traffic (a cause of many accidents)” prompted me to post.

I’d go further and say that rather than it being a cause of many accidents, it’s the reason for nearly ALL of them - what else, mechanical failure? And those as a result of road conditions - ice, patchy mist etc. - must be classed as purely and simply driver error, travelling too fast. They’d occur if the road were two-laned or ten-laned!

Drivers “fleeing” Great Yarmouth must in any case stop or give way at the Acle roundabout, similarly in the other direction they’ll invariably have to stop for everything coming on the A47. What’s the point in getting traffic there more quickly?

My suggestion? 60 mph can stay as it is, double white lines for its length, i.e. NO overtaking at all and no right turns. Anybody wishing to turn right, into Halvergate for example, must go to the end, then round the roundabout to come back on themselves. Just as they’d have to do if the Acle Straight WERE dualled…

Peter

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Dec-30-2021 @ 5:04 PM                           Permalink
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A stretch of road, however or wherever it may be located cannot simply kill or injure people on its own,,,

The human factor will always be responsible for that.
undue care, driving too fast for conditions, drinking and driving, and of course the effects of all of the above on innocence and considerate road users who become the tragic victims of others foolhardy actions.

It matters not what it applies to,trees,  guns, knives, machinery, boats,ladders,   and a plethora of other inanimate objects, none of which can be said to be dangerous,,, until misused by humans.

you could build a 12 lane super highway to replace the acle straight,, there would still be accidents caused by human errors and recklessness.

in fact probably more.



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Dec-30-2021 @ 9:51 PM                           Permalink
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Well said GB.

Acle to GY has claimed many lives, life changing injuries. Simply because the road requires a discipline that many drivers do not possess.

From Acle to say the A11 at Thickthorne and beyond is dual carriage way, with the exception of Burlingham. Is the dual carriage devoid of accidents?

I can assure you it is not. Accidents occur weekly.
Many incidents are simply not reported.

I take on board the comments made by those who do not live here. There are those of us who live here, and I believe are better placed to make judgement.

Solutions which have yet to have been considered.

Dwile Flonker

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Flonker, I write this to you as a member of this forum

I find your comments offensive:
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I take on board the comments made by those who do not live here. There are those of us who live here, and I believe are better placed to make judgement.
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Really?

So, for example - someone who has spent the equivalent of 4 full months a year for 22 years has less to contribute (or their opinion is less valued ) than someone who moved to the Broads say, 3 years ago?

Someone who has years of experience in road building projects anywhere in the country is also less valuable to the discussion than a Norfolk vegetable seller (pure random example).

Are you seriously suggesting, indeed actually stating , that professional comment or contribution from a police officer, motor accident investigator, road safety officer, in fact any associated professional content should be dismissed as minor or irrelevant unless uttered by those who live in the area which they refer to? Seriously, that's absolute and utter rubbish. Some would/could even consider it arrogant. You may not have meant it that way but I couldn't criticise anyone who took it in that vein.

We don't live in that weird world once depicted in a tv series where the shopkeeper summed up the warped environment quite succintly by stating to non village customers " this is a local shop for local people".

Don't dismiss contributions. This forum is not exclusively for locals. Try a facebbbok village group if that's what you want. Apologies for being so direct but,  really,  your attitude towards everyone "non local" is really uncalled for here.

And now speaking as a moderator - please all continue to add further comment as you wish. All as valid as the next persons.


Good evening, Karen




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