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Greybeard
Dec-31-2021 @ 1:50 AM                           Permalink
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I believe local people living close to any road system, in particular one located as the acle straight is, going through marshes, subject to mist,fog, ice,poor and impatient drivers, and driving it on a regular basis throughout the year, possibly even on a regular  basis, would be far more experienced with the associated problems of that stretch of road, whether they be by design or  behaviour of its users.
anyone elses ideas would however relevant be generic.

as can readily be seen by national accident figures, they are not just on the acle straight.

all the uk roads are at risk from more accidents, the population is rapidly expanding, people are travelling to areas they are not entirely familiar with. they have deadlines to meet, there will be mistakes made, lives will be tragically lost, many innocent.
making a road bigger will increase the vehicles it can hold, the accidents will increase too,
I live on a single track road, I believe there have been a handful of bumps in the last 50 odd years, nobody died, everyone drove their cars away from the scene with nothing more than a scratch, or broken headlamp.

there have been more accidents on the recent additions to the norfolk roads in their first weeks of opening.

in all cases despite the claimed improvements to the road system,,, people still took chances, made bad decisions, the results are always the same.
  



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We can't keep living in the horse and trap days though can we? For the very reasons you outline GB.

People travel more, and further afield. Goods and food supplies etc often travel half way round the country before being on a shop shelf. Home deliveries have been accelerated by Covid restrictions  on shopping, resulting in high demand for delivery drivers who often have little local knowledge of roads etc. Supermarket home deliveries usually come not from your local biggest store but from one designated area store , often in another county, and driven by people who are covering large areas where they cannot possibly have full local knowledge. I know someone who deliveries drugs ( to chemists) and their area is huge and often they are sent to to cover any other drivers areas. I also know of a farmer who cheekily takes his tractor (and trailer full of animals )  45 miles across the county to a cattle auction he prefers, trundling along for hours and hours! ( and not giving a stuff about the hold-ups he causes). The amount of HGVs carrying stuff around this country is ever increasing too. We can't ignore where we are now, with huge and excessive amounts of traffic. Local schools become one big academy- cue more traffic. Out of town shopping sites pop up - cue more traffic on local roads.  Local shops are undercut ( and often end up closing down) by big supermarkets, so folk go further afield to even shop basics - cue more traffic. Businesses favour regional rather than town based offices - cue more commuting. The list goes on.

Either we start taking a long hard look at the big picture here re the amount of vehicles on our roads and question the purpose ( think climate change etc) or we accept that we have to update, improve, expand our road networks. I'm not saying I'm in favour of that but we can't simply long for the times of backwater lanes, quiet and safe roads, no tailbacks , no travel frustrations etc, much as we may want to!

Karen

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There is a huge difference in comparing "horse and trap days"
to inconsiderate and poor driving habits by people who have no patience and would rather chance killing themselves and others rather than wait till it is safe to pass a slower vehicle.

its down to people every time, some people cant even get through a simple broads system without hitting the bridge, or another boat.
and they ain't locals, eh?

an 8 mile  straight road in norfolk is just the tip of the iceberg.

despite all the high tech development that is present in todays cars,  a considerable number are still driven by impatient idiots with scant regard for anyone but themselves.
improved road systems will not alter that no more than gluing yourself to a road with alter the climate.




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Greybeard.
A couple of problems there, its a known fact that 3/4 of accidents happen within 10 miles of a persons home, 2/3rds within 5 miles, I would add that in regard to that stretch of road many visitors to the Broads have used that stretch regularly for decades and probably understand it more than some recent locals who possibly never or rarely use it.

The A11 through Thetford Forest had a similar accident record till it was duelled, while no road is accident free that stretch has improved dramatically since and is one I use regularly.

While locals may benefit from anecdotal knowledge of serious accidents via the local media I know that many people travelling through my area use the roads far more than I do.

I accept the reasons why it is unlikely that any major changes will be made to that stretch but that doesn`t mean it shouldn't be considered.

           Brian (forum member)  

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Dec-31-2021 @ 9:34 AM                           Permalink
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I think brians post is spot on , nothing is accident free , its about reducing/ preventing accidents, yes people do speed or add to the problem , but again its about measures to reduce this ,
I also note that 5000 more houses are planned for Gt yarmouth by 2030 , again as karen mentions this will bring / add more traffic to the area with supplies , people travelling to the area for work etc
https://www.greatyarmouthmercury.co.uk/news/local-council/great-yarmouth-5200-homes-plan-8587940
Maybe not now but further along the line,something will have to be done,

steve and vicky
( apparently a moaner)

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Have there been any/many accidents on the new dual NDR? I have seen a few signposts that have been clattered

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Dec-31-2021 @ 10:33 AM                           Permalink
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"I also note that 5000 more houses are planned for Gt yarmouth by 2030"

That figure was originally more like 7500 I believe but fortunately someone did a recalculation!
Are we really going to expand the population of the town sufficiently to fill 5000 houses in eight years?
In reality, we need less people and less vehicles if we wish to improve the environment significantly but that is another debate.

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Dec-31-2021 @ 11:07 AM                           Permalink
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jean+brian said,
"A couple of problems there, its a known fact that 3/4 of accidents happen within 10 miles of a persons home, 2/3rds within 5 miles, I would add that in regard to that stretch of road many visitors to the Broads have used that stretch regularly for decades and probably understand it more than some recent locals who possibly never or rarely use it."

exactly the point,, regular users of the road are better qualified to know the road, and hopefully drive accordingly.

naturally it follows that never using a road will reduce your chance of being involved in an  an accident on to zero.
so if less people reduces accidents, the more people will likely increase accidents. as there's more chances being taken, and more vehicles to collide with.

as the accident rates are shown to rise dramaticly when roads are made bigger,wider,and enable more users to travel.
just increasing the roads capacity for cars will not reduce accidents, how can it?

5000 more houses, at a conservative estimate that's a probable 10,000 people many of whom will maybe use that road,in addition to the extra services they will require lets see how that works out, eh?


my guess would be more accidents before they are even built.

accidents are caused by people.and far too often at the expense of others.
its unavoidable as there will always be those that are careless, inconsiderate and reliant on chance.
mobile phones have been a lifeline to many,, but use one in a car and the consequences can be the death of you and others,drivers, pedestrians,etc.
is the phone responsible for those deaths, ?
or the location or type of road, of course not,, its the user of the the phone who couldn't be bothered to pull over to a safe area and take or make that call.



far to much blame placed on the road, the vehicle the conditions, etc,etc,

nobody wants to take responsibility for their actions anymore.

"Truth is valued so highly,,
But no one wants to listen to it."




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Dec-31-2021 @ 11:36 AM                           Permalink
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Greybeard, you keep posting that accidents are caused by people , we all know this ,but please tell us how we can reduce ,try prevent them with population and traffic rising ?

steve and vicky
( not a broads local,so my views ,knowledge doesn't count )

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I'll take that as a humorous question,  as you don't really expect anybody to have the definitive answer,,do you?

but think on this,,
in a one acre field you place a few grazing animals, they graze and the rate the grass replenishes itself outstrips their consumption and absorbs their waste.

and then you keep adding sheep, and they breed as you now have both sexes and mature animals, in a very short time the grass has all but gone, what they haven't eaten or chit on, is trampled to mud and waste, then disease  strikes as your stock is in critical condition you lose almost every animal,, but you notice after a week or so the grass is starting to look a lot better and the remaining stock too, pretty soon things are back to how they were, you need to limit the numbers if you wish to maintain this ideal balance.

so what do you think would happen if you added more animals again?

how about concreting most of the field,, would that help?

lets just for chits and giggles say you buy the adjoining land,  it seems the ideal solution,, but in reality you just increased the potential size of the problem.



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