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Some of us while fully aware of local news like JR prefer not to publicise individuals private lives, think before posting comes to mind.

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I suspect that by now even the most fervent denialist or anti-vaxer must be completely aware of the politically divorced reality. I'm afraid that folk are catching Covid, indeed some are even dying of it. Can there really be a denialist out there who doesn't know someone that has had the virus, even died of it?

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It may be a bit hard to take, but looking at the objective evidence, there is a valid and correct point that Western governments are abusing the system of unprecedented social coercion beyond any justifiable extent.
In yesterday's news NHS chiefs and the Government raised the Covid Alert Level to 4 - defined as "a Covid-19 epidemic is in general circulation; transmission is high and direct Covid-19 pressure on healthcare services is widespread and substantial or rising". They were also quoted saying that pressure on the NHS was widespread but mainly non-Covid related. There is no evidence of significantly increased hospital admissions yet and Covid cases occupy a small percentage of beds. The facts do not correlate with the action taken. i.e. We're already in the territory that these people - and many others - predicted: Western governments dishonestly making use of draconian emergency legislation to control the population and damage the livelihoods of the population, for the sole reason of concealing how badly they're doing their jobs.

This is not about covid. Nor treatments associated with that disease.

Covid alarmism is the con-artist misdirection whilst his accomplice lifts your wallet. [covid is real, what is being justified is not]

Western democracy was hard won. We have freedoms of movement and expression denied to those who live in totalitarian states.

The vaccine pass/passport/mandate is the abrogation of those freedoms. It has nothing to do with covid. It is a mechanism.

With vaccine passports in place, your future right to buy toilet paper in Tesco might depend on whether you have had jab #7. Want a holiday? Want to work? Want to see your own family?

Folks, debate vaccine efficacy by all means. But do not delude yourself what is actually on the table in Plan B.

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Jean and Brian. I share your concern. This is not for public comment. An invasion of a families distressing situation. I hope that further discussion is restricted by those who have a responsibility with regard to this personal intrusion into this personal private matter.

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I have read your diatribe not once, twice but three times. I have failed to understand your reasoning, I have tried hard, but remain confused, perhaps this was your objective. I cannot think of any constructive objective for any political party to use this dreadful virus to manipulate the population. I simply cannot.

But perhaps it serves your purpose.

Dwile Flonker

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I have not attacked anyone, I have not derided anybody who has had vaccinations or has not.
I merely offered another viewpoint.
should I now accept that any debate or alternative views be laced with veiled  insults and derision.

everyone  [at the moment] has choices open to them, that is being eroded at an alarming rate.
and yes I believe any government will lie,cheat, abuse their positions and not give a flying fig about joe public, until the next election and then the same old promises and cons will be rolled out for the next bunch of gullible fools.
and history will support that statement unequivocally.

  

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Might not a vaccination passport be nothing more than an inducement for people to have a jab?  

Jolly Roger

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“I cannot think of any constructive objective for any political party to use this dreadful virus to manipulate the population”

I think it’s fairer to say that COVID-19 has allowed governments to accelerate the inevitable and perhaps agree with GB that whether it be a “Certificat Covid Numérique UE” or the UK’s (for the moment) Mickey Mouse pieces of paper, they’re only the thin end of the wedge.

Our lives are more and more predictable and predetermined, trying hard not to come across alarmist or a conspiracy theorist, I have come to accept that while we may fool ourselves into believing we have free choice, in reality we are mostly sheep, driven by the media, marketing, IT and ‘phone data gathering (“We have become the product”) etc.

The “Internet of Medical Things” (IoMT) is in its infancy, but Doctor Brother is simply Big Brother with a better Public Relations Officer. But, quite honestly, I really don't lose any sleep over it...

Peter

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