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Apr-12-2021 @ 11:07 AM                           Permalink
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I would be quite happy for the BA to charge the toll a/c IF they towed these abandoned boats away to St Olaves and lifted them out,  then chase the owners for the cost if not claimed break them up for scrap leaving them illegally moored for years under the rule that we are not allowed to tow them away is not acceptable in my mind. If the rules so change the rules.  When tow away was introduced for cars some years ago there was suddenly a large reduction in parking on yellow lines. they would only need to tow a couple away before word got out and non payers started to pay or remove there trash from people's sight. John

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This is an area which would need a change in legislation to implement. The Canal & Rivers Trust (with which many make a comparison) has such powers, but, once again, it simply highlights something else in which the Broads Authority has No Authority.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
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From this coming Fridays Nav Comm papers section 8 appendix 3 may help

https://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0028/382825/Chief-Executives-report-and-current-issues-nc150421.pdf

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Thank you, Jean&Brian. The relevant information in the report is:

Motor CruiserSutton/Stalham Cut
Liaising with the landowner, vessel not in the navigation channel
Landowner to remove top section


That explains the yellow posts. The visual impact of the wreck has been removed, but there now seems to be a hidden hazard (the concrete hull) just below the surface. Not what I would call the ideal solution.

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Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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Compare the attached pic, taken today, with the one in the OP. Over the weekend, the poles have been shortened and a buoy placed out, lessening the visual impact. I was told that the hull will be removed the next time the dredging crew is up that way (but no schedule known).

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
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Should've attached the pic...

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


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Well, the dredging of the Upper Ant has started at last. http://www.the-norfolk-broads.co.uk/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=50&Topic=44826&srow=0&erow=1

Let's see if the remains of the sunken vessel are removed as promised.

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Of course it is possible the kit they are using in the area, will not be able to tackle whats left underwater.

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Really? I was told '...next time the dredging crew is up there.' Well, they're there now and will be for some time, time enough to make sure they have the right equipment available for the task in hand. After all, they've know about it for long enough.


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I rather think that the despotic Authority is in a bit of a quandary over this one. There is mention of not being in the navigation area but where is the so-called navigation area? My understanding of the Broads Act is that all waters open to navigation when the Broads Act was enacted should be maintained as open, navigable waters, that would include dykes and carrs such as the one in the photograph. If that is the case, then the Authority should be clearing this sunken hull. If not, then okay, it's possibly not the responsibility of the BA. I'm not always convinced of the veracity of legal opinion as expressed by the executive.  

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Pally - I wasn't suggesting they wouldn't be able to move it! I just have no idea of the size or weight of it or indeed the state of it nor indeed whether their kit will cope.
I just hope it does - perhaps its already broken in bits. I just don't know enough about the exact details but merely suggesting  that the job could prevent some difficulty!

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