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Marshman
Nov-06-2020 @ 10:50 AM                           Permalink
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In a way I agree but notwithstanding the info we continue to get from the BA, can I go down to my boat and use it as a form of exercise, as some would seem to suggest.

Thats all a bit academic now as its winterised but why cannot we get a straightforward answer to a straight question. Just out of interest the Lakes appear to be allowing boating - it says its the latest info but is it?

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DD & MM I agree with both your latest posts.

And our boat is winterised too now , done in a mad rush due to the impending tier 3 which of course was then superseded  by the new 28 days lockdown.

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I have been avoiding everyone as if they are carrying this plague for months before I am accused of being a "guidance avoider" but I think there are two inherent problems here:

1) Being on the Broads we are restrained by the BA interpretation of the legislation and by the fact that they had launched their draconian regime before the law had even been approved by Parliament says all you need to know about the almighty BA flexing their muscles.

2) By HMG's own admission, it takes several weeks for the impact of any intervention to filter through into credible statistics. Consequently, the Tier system introduced barely that long ago was never given sufficient time to prove or disprove itself, although as I have already stated it was having a noticeable effect in Liverpool, and any positive effect of this enforced lockdown will not become apparent until after it has ended and the idiots of society go straight back to their partying, holidaying etc.

It is not the virus that is the problem it is the human nature of a small proportion of the population that are unable to think for themselves and behave in a responsible manner. HMG need to dream up a plan to isolate them from the UK populous which is the only way to eradicate the virus.



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I am with you 100%. The reason that the Liverpool restrictions were not allowed time to work was because Mr Hindsight of the opposition party always says that they are too early, too late, too draconian or not draconian enough. I am not being political over this as the situation would probably be the same if the parties were the other way round. We need more of a coalition mentality to get over this as soon as possible. We are all in this together.

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L'sBelles, I agree with your last post, apart from: "Being on the Broads we are restrained by the BA interpretation of the legislation".

As the RYA correctly point out in their advice to recreational boaters: "While guidance sets out how Governments expect people should behave, the regulations set out how people must behave and it is the regulations (rather than the guidance) that may be enforced within the law."

Under the regulations only a "relevant person" can take any enforcement action, and for the purposes of this discussion, a relevant person is defined in the regulations as:

(i) a constable, and
(ii) a police community support officer.

So the Broads Authority, in particular the rangers, cannot enforce the regulations in the slightest degree, let alone enforce their guidance.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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So, this whole thing is now snowballing. Numerous  moorings providers are seemingly taking the BA interpretation and banning their customers form visiting or winterising.

This is absolutely appalling. The BA is not fit for purpose and this "leading" of Broads businesses  (or , rather ,misleading !) , and the resultant  impact on toll payers , is unforgivable. I have lost all faith. Scrap the lot and find another way to run the Broads.

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Update from BA
" 6 November - Update regarding COVID-19 lockdown restrictions that affect boating activities

The Authority is aware that there appears to be conflicting advice published by DEFRA and DCMS regarding which activities are restricted during the current lockdown in England. The Broads Authority, like many other organisations is trying its best to interpret the guidelines in order to advise the public.

This morning we have again written to DEFRA pointing out the apparent inconsistencies and the urgent need for definitive instructions. In particular we are seeking clarification around paddle-sports, angling and the use of privately owned sailing / motor boats.

We will communicate any further information we receive as quickly as possible and ask for your understanding and patience during this time. Our officers are receiving a huge number of enquiries on a wide range of topics and unfortunately it is not possible to give detailed answers on specific questions or individual circumstances "



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In the meantime, they should remove their misleading/confusing advice from their media platforms.

No advice is better than bad advice.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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Paladine, I note the your info re regs re PCSOs. Did Norfolk scrap them in 2019? Interesting as they clearly exist still elsewhere. I miss their visible presence. Thanks for the pointer.

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Yes the 150 PCSO's that Norfolk had were made redundant although I believe it was in 2018.
Apparently 59 were deployed elsewhere in the Constabulary with 30 of those becoming full time PC's.
Several of the Public Inquiry Offices were closed at the same time.
There does appear to have been an increase in anti social behaviour in the County (on the East coast at least)since their demise. Who could have predicted that?

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