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Paladine, that’s exactly what I said, rules, codes, advice, or whatever you wish to call them backed up by the law. If you choose not to obey them you will be fined etc under the law. There has to be the backing up by the law because of the lack of common sense among a proportion of the population. If common sense was more  common we might not be as deep in the brown stuff as we are.
Can I respectfully request that you take a stance of supporting the measures to control this virus rather than giving ammunition to those that are always seeking to find ways around the “guidance/law” that is there for our benefit?

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"where will you go/stay, your life your decision. John"

True - but your decision could drastically affect - or end - someone else's life.
Just do what the guidance says and hope it works and works quickly.

Bob Huppendoun

There would be no life without water!!!

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Lots of people fish from the quay in the marina I use or from boats which come into the marina from off the river.
Adrian.

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Is it not difficult to enforce the rules if there is a lot of ambiguity in the rules,I prefer common sense but common sense is not very common unfortunately ,yes we should all consider how our actions can effect other people .
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Sorry- affect.

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"Private boats that are kept or used in the Broads navigation area or adjacent waters do still need to be tolled.
Now threre's a suprise please JP kiss my a**"

Perhaps the BA would find boat owners more supportive if they had the equivalent of the DVLA's SORN. Your boat is locked down in a private marina so you put it on a Statutory Off Broads Notice. Perhaps it is because the acronym does not work well that they will not implement it? Perhaps Statutory Notice Off Broads would be ok?
The argument that the Broads still need maintaining doesn't really cut it as the highways also need maintaining when they are not being used but you can have your roadgoing VED refunded. My car is now on its third period of SORN this year!



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Dykedweller said, "Can I respectfully request that you take a stance of supporting the measures to control this virus rather than giving ammunition to those that are always seeking to find ways around the “guidance/law” that is there for our benefit?"

You clearly haven't been reading (or understanding) my posts. I wholeheartedly support the measures to control the virus. My (and Mrs P's) actions since March are testament to that, but you wouldn't know that, would you.

What I will rail at is any attempt to brow-beat (or con) me into accepting unenforceable guidance as enforceable law (something at which the Broads Authority is adept), and I am fortunate enough to be able to tell the difference. I notice you continue to confuse "guidance" with "law".

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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You cannot compare the UK with the Broads because of the economy of scale. The number of SORN vehicles nationwide has minimal impact on the cash available for road maintenance whereby a similar system on the Broads would bring about a devastating cut in cash available for maintenance of the infra structure.
If a type of SORN was available, given that boating is a predominantly summer activity, large numbers of owners would only toll for the summer months potentially halving the income from private owners.

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We too have since March been supporting the measures to control the spread of the virus as well as keeping ourselves safe both being over 70 ,it just gets annoying when you can see there is no common sense in the way the rules are being interpreted by some in authority.
Adrian.

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Re: SORN, this is from the BA's web site:

"My boat is currently moored in an “adjacent waters” but has been out of commission for some time whilst I am carrying out repairs/restoration to it and does not seem to be covered by any of the other exemptions, will I have comply with the requirements?

You may be able to apply for an exemption for the requirement to pay a toll but not from the other requirements. You will need to apply in writing for the exemption. The exemption will only apply to vessels which are moored in adjacent waters and which are not in use for navigation, residential or commercial purposes, and are moored in order to be serviced, repaired, or restored. The exemption will cease to apply once the vessel is used for any of those purposes. It will apply only to boats in respect of which the owner self declares it will be out of commission for at least six months from the date of the application and for a maximum of one toll period. This exemption will also not give rise to a repayment in respect of tolls already paid. Any exemptions granted would be subject to random checking by the Authority to ensure any such vessels do not pose a hazard to third parties."


So there is a form of SOBN for boats, but it is very limited in its scope.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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