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Hi all,

Just a quick question.  
Does anyone know that if you are on a pub mooring does the pubs staff have the right to untie and move the boat?

I like to when possible have the boat in sight for convenience and to keep a watchful eye.

I popped in The Ferry Inn at Horning and asked a staff member if it was acceptable for me to moor the boat directly outside any earlier than 17:00 being the normal time that it ceases to be reserved for day boats.  In the past I have been allowed to moor up early at less busy times, especially on a weekday and off peak season.

I was told I could moor the boat outside a little earlier at 16:00.  I moored the boat just to the correct side of the day boat mooring time sign so that when the time comes I could just move the boat along by the ropes.

During the afternoon I popped back to get something from the boat to find it was no longer there and another boat in its place.  I passed another three moored boats before I reached ours.  I found that another staff member had moved it Mad .  I was moored in the correct place and wasted no mooring space.

As I ask have the pub staff the right to move a boat without consulting the owner or hirer?

A short question but not so short post. Smile

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Well I would hope their insurance is up to date for public liability because in moving your boat they could accidentally do damage to your boat while moving it.   What happens if for instance it was extra windy and they lost control of the ropes (it does happen) and your pride and joy is over the other side of the river before you know it, or even worse in a river with a fast running tide , as is down South.    Other people are never as careful with your boat as you are,  I dont care what is said.

So I would say unless in an emergency no they should not be moving your boat.



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I guess you could quote byelaw 73 interference with vessels which makes it an offence to move the mooring lines with the permission of the master of the vessel, however the pub could reasonably point out that as it is their mooring, you accept their rules or move on and don't moor there again.

So 50/50 really. No they shouldn't move your boat without your permission, but they have the right to refuse to let you moor there in the first place.

It's a bit different with a car because you need the keys to move it, but I believe that Barnes and probably others ask you to leave your car keys with them in case they need to move your car to let another car out in an emergency. If you want to park there you either agree to the terms or park elsewhere.

Just because The BA make a request, don't automatically assume they have the powers to make such requests!! Keeping a careful eye on an Authority which is making it's own rules.

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i was moved in beccles yacht station a few years ago on silver scrocco, i didnt even notice until the boat next to me tried to leave but promptly ran over my mud weight rope.......4 hours later!!!!
absolutely nothing to do with me, and guess the ranger didnt move the mud weight when moving the boat 15 feet or so
luckily colin is a very understanding man and told me not to worry about it
still have the remains of the loop of rope as a souvineir

Ian boating since 1961

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Unless it was an emergency or I had been blocked in by an inconsiderate boater I would not consider moving someone else's boat.
If you started moving people's cars around at a supermarket car park I do not think this would be well received.
As for being in a pub then all the owners would have to do is to call out in the pub for the owner or captain of the vessel. If they failed to do this then I think that is exceptionally rude.
I have actually been woken up on one occasion as my boat was being moved, the idiots did not even knock on the boat.
Furthermore, people never tie up your ropes with the same levels of security in mind and enthusiasm. I have even had people forgetting to put the stern rope back on the mooring post.......I'd say it is a no, no and byelaws do cover this as previously mentioned.

'Byelaw 72 does apply across the navigation area which
includes BA 24-hour moorings'.
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I was moored on Ranworth a fortnight ago and a lady standing on the stern of a boat leaving the mooring on my starboard side shouted that she had untied my rope to allow them to move off. " no problem" I replied , " have you re-tied it " ? " no " she said. " my husband said we don't have time " !!!
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Hi Alan I have often seen boats moved to maximise the space/make safe, they wouldn't have driven it but only pulled/pushed it and would have tied it up correctly,after all it is there mooring.Yacht stations often retie mooring ropes that have been tied to tight/loose not allowing for tide rise and fall i have Evan done so my self when i have seen the need, to stop damage to a boat that is unoccupied. John

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There is a considerable difference between yacht station staff adjusting ropes in accordance with tide levels and pub staff moving customers' boats around.

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Please see uitmis as I got the wrong pub ( Ive been out tonight and shoouldn't have posted) Love you all and out. Marge and Parge got to be honest (Parge)



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I thought Gus was at the New Inn, not the Ferry

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