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TerryTibbs
Jul-13-2016 @ 9:41 PM                           Permalink
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Marshy, while I agree with you to a certain extent, I do believe Worthy and the OP make a valid point. As has been touched on on another thread, the move to bigger and brasher boats is changing the demographic of hirers, because of cost it is hard for a familly to hire a decent boat in school holiday time so more and more hire boats are being hired by "adult" parties (and I use that phrase very loosely) that bring with them I much more selfish self centred attitude. Like everywhere in life the respect for other people feelings and property is being lost, I wasn't going to mention this but as the subject has been brought up I will, over the Winter I had a substantial amount of work done on Andorra including re-varnishing the cabin sides and re-painting the cabin roofs. 3 weeks ago we took her out for the first time and stern moored at a popular Southern destination where the boats are assisted by staff in being moored.
We were only calling in for provisions so were going to be a couple of hours tops, when we left there were no boats either side, when we returned (which was after the staff had left) I noticed that the paint on the front cabin edge had been badly scraped, the people on the boat at that side were sat in the cockpit so I asked them nicely if they had any idea how it had happened, they denied all knowledge saying only that the staff had helped them moor. It was plain to see that someone had tried to use a boat hook to fend off the boat, now not many hire boats carry boathooks any longer but guess what? This one had.
The following Monday I rang the place concerned to ask if they had assisted this boat in and was told that the staff on duty that day were off but that enquiries would be made and they would get back to me. Surprise Surprise no one has.
The attitude of the scum that caused the damage and the indifference of the facility staff epitomises the changes we are seeing. Couple that with the other things the OP aludes to, loss of moorings, loss of pubs and facilities and I think the coming years will see many owners make a similar decision to the OP.

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Jul-14-2016 @ 8:26 PM                           Permalink
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I do understand that there are worse places and for many who visit Norfolk and the broads it must seem just idyllic, but as someone who lives here and has lived here all my life the changes are dramatic. Sadly it just becoming all too commercialised and just another place to rip-off the tourist as I found out to my cost at my recent visit the Fur & Feather at Woodbastwick where the quality of the food was so poor but the price high, it's not good to see.

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I do agree with Worthy. We are retirement incomers now in our tenth year. Even in that short time The Broads and North East Norfolk in general have changed a great deal.
I think if it were not for my wife's health issues and the excellent care at the NNUH. We may well have been on the move again. One of my reasons for giving up a career at 56 was the desire to relocate every five or six years but that idea disappeared with the diagnosis four years ago.
I wish you well Mal. I to have followed you up the Ant. Is Grebe 16E an aluminium Seaotter? Hence the ability to trail to other networks home and abroad.

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Jul-15-2016 @ 3:34 PM                           Permalink
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Marshman, how true. Everything is better, more exciting, when it’s fresh and new. The Essex village I grew up in, where my mates and I could lose ourselves over the fields all day, with no worries, is now an unrecognisable concrete jungle, a suburb of Basildon. Yet my parents moved there from the East End of London and it was, then, idyllic. I eventually settled in a mid-Essex village, which, again, became increasingly urbanised, as the London sprawl continued.

So we moved to a Norfolk village 16 years ago and love it as much now as we did the day we first moved here. More, I should say, as we have made a fruitful new life for ourselves. We’re not here on holiday, looking through rather rose-tinted glasses. Norfolk is our life, boating is just one of our hobbies.

I’m sorry that 16E has health issues, as do many of us, but that is no reason to denigrate this unique and special part of the country. ”...the horror of double mooring and reckless stern-on mooring in inapprropraite places and the dodgems attitude adopted by many hirers” is somewhat OTT, I think.

In 16 years, I have double-moored two or three times, always at my choice.

Has the stern-mooring caused any accidents? I don’t think so.

Dodgems attitude adopted by many hirers? These incidents are reported on here simply because they are so rare. I've been hit, by a day boat, once. If it was the norm, people wouldn’t bother reporting the incidents when they do occur. My new car was the subject of a hit-and-run while it was parked in a car park in Salisbury (700-quids-worth). Salisbury is a fine city and I still visit and park there.

Time to lighten up, I think. Norfolk, and particularly the Broads, are great places to live and play. We all move on from time to time. Remember the good times, look forward to, hopefully, better times, but leave with a good heart and a spring in your step, not casting brick-bats.


"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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Jul-15-2016 @ 3:46 PM                           Permalink
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The Broads are ever changing,  it is the nature of the beast.  Go back a hundred years and holiday makers were still 'discovering it'  Todays visitors are also still doing the 'discovery thing'   Those riverside places built in the 30's were a result of earlier people 'spoiling it'  Go back to the 1960's and water quality was undergoing environmental collapse (Remember that pea green Barton?)  Don't be too negative and above all allow young people to still be able to simply mess about in boats.


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Jul-15-2016 @ 3:52 PM                           Permalink
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I wish Mal (16E) all the best as life moves forward, but agree strongly with Marshman and Paldine.

I first arrived here in June 1976 (that long hot summer) for work on a week’s detachment from Aberdeen – a vacancy came up and I was lucky enough to get it and fell in love with the place and its people.

After 8 years work took me away to Scunthorpe, then back here, then away again to Basingstoke, then fortune smiled again and I landed back in Norfolk again in 1995.

This time I promised myself I wouldn’t leave permanently again, and although I’ve had to take a couple of short-term outings, have pretty much stayed rooted ever since.

After 40+ years I still wake up with that ‘happy to be here on holiday’ feeling (even if it’s still a work day).

Of course there are several other places I’m sure I could have been happy, but I now almost qualify for my incomer’s passport and I’m not going to pass that up – I’ll never be a true ‘loocle’, but have made so many great friends that it doesn’t matter any more.

As Paladine’s avatar says: “I’m happy. I’m here. Get used to it.”  Nowhere’s perfect, but this is close enough for me, and our lovely waterways will still have quiet spots long after my ashes have drifted down the Bure and out onto Scroby Sands…


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Jul-16-2016 @ 1:26 PM                           Permalink
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I have to agree with Marshman, Paladine and Coriolis. I am not a local but spend much of the year on the Broads and I still can't get enough of the area and the rest that Norfolk and Suffolk have to offer. We avoid stern-on moorings as much as possible and look for quieter spots nearby. They are usually there but of course that may involve some walking which doesn't suit some or is not an option for some reason. There is always the possibility of a bump from another boat, sometimes when it could be avoided but that's the chance you take when you own your own boat. Unfortunately there are one or two hirers that don't seem to realise that boats cost money to repair and are not just 'toys'. Disdain and selfishness happen in all walks of life.

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I was born, bred and sailed here all my life. Anyone who knew the Broads in the seventies would surely have to agree that it is more pleasant now in most ways compared to then. Far less crowded, far less polluted and far less frenetic.
However in some aspects it is considerably less appealing. IMHO I think that is largely down to the shift from being largely hirers to largely us owners using the Broads.
Hirers on the whole are much less prescriptive, territorial and ready to lose their cool over fairly trivial matters than owners.
The odd scrape, occasional cock up or lack of understanding of etiquette is readily forgiven by the hiring community but often deemed a terrible crime by owners. That difference creates division and unnecessary tension.
It was put to me by one boatyard owner (who shall remain nameless) that there were three types of boaters on the Broads.
1. Hirers
2. Amateur owners (like me) that were sometimes previously hirers but now they think they are some sort of professional with extra rights.
3. People that actually and properly know what they are doing. He said that you could count those on his fingers and toes for the whole of Broadland.
He may have a point.

As for moving on to new pastures surely that is the right thing to do. We all only have one life and it seems stupid to me to spend year after year doing the same thing when there is so much out there of huge interest.
There was a time that I was on the Broads endlessly. But now I mix that with sea sailing, hill hiking, foreign holidays and various other activities. There are stacks of other things to see and do.
So 16E will probably soon find that he is so busy with other stuff that the Broads will just become a very pleasant memory along with various others.


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Perfectly written Exile, much truth therein.

Chris.

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