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Rob@BSSOffice
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Not good news from me I'm afraid. Please pass it along the towpath. Carbon Monoxide aka, CO, is deadly, but it can be prevented and it can be detected. Lower the risks - install right, maintain well, run properly including things needing ventilation and things with exhausts. And if things do still go wrong, you'll need a CO alarm to keep you alive.

Not a narrowboat this time but a GRP cruiser

Macclesfield Express

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Thank you for passing this on, Rob. It's a message that cannot be repeated often enough.

Another very sad accident.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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If anyone is interested,, Due in on Sunday 20th

https://www.aldi.co.uk/smoke-and-carbon-monoxide-alarm/p/069413017782600

I'm Not CRAZY, my view on reality is just different to YOURS,,,

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While Aldi stuff can sometimes be a case of 'you get what you pay for', Kidde is a very reputable make and the Aldi price is almost half what you pay at Argos, Amazon etc.

There is a bonus as well. Aldi have introduced on-line shopping and delivery is free at the moment.

I've just ordered mine  Smile

Edited - whoops! I forgot to say Thanks, Mowjo.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


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While having one or more of those Kiddie alarms from Aldi is a thousand times better none, they are not the product best suited for boats.

Kiddie and the other major manufacturers advise  choosing a unit tested to BS EN 50291-2 as having been through the development testing for leisure accommodation vehicles and boats (environment stress, temperature range, vibration, knocks & impacts). This is the standard we and the caravan industry pushed for.

There more advice and a link to a list of best suited alarms here
Chosing a carbon monoxide alarm

BUT if you have a Kitemarked alarm already, do not panic, if it is certified to BS EN 50291, or 50291-1, the advice is to keep it, test it routinely and when it needs replacing, go for the appropriate standard alarms.

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Good advice, as ever, Rob.

For me, it's belt and braces. I already have a Kidde CO detector (the 7DCO that's recommended for boats). I just can't resist a bargain!

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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"BUT if you have a Kitemarked alarm already, do not panic, if it is certified to BS EN 50291, or 50291-1, the advice is to keep it, test it routinely and when it needs replacing, go for the appropriate standard alarms."

Just an information update - the alarm I ordered has now been delivered and it complies with BS EN 50291-1.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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We have some good advice from Rob there, however, how long will it be before the BSS include CO, and smoke alarms into the scheme.
Already someone has died, this is not the first, and unfortunately will not be the last.
In my opinion, all craft with cabin or canopies with accomodation should be be fitted with both, whether they have fuel burning appliances or not.
Here's why, if you are moored next to a fuel burning appliance flue on another boat, their fumes could enter another boat without them knowing.
While we are at it, can we have gas alarms fitted to those craft that have gas on board?
If items are advisories, like with car MOT's, most never seem to be addressed, until maybe next year when it becomes a failure, advising people to fit CO and smoke alarms, is not enough, it is time to include them in the scheme, and give recommentations on how and where they should be fitted, how they should be tested, and when they should be replaced.

It's time to add them to the scheme, in my opinion.
CO the silent killer... it's time we all spoke out... in my opinion of course, as I have benefited from the security of having a CO alarm, a smoke alarm, and a gas alarm, and I can sleep at night... Can You?

Like with anything, there is no absolute guarantee that having these alarms will save lives, you have to rely on the human factor, people may remove them, or remove the batteries, or keep them after the expiry date of the device, they are also not suitable for the hard of hearing, or those under the influence of what ever substance.
So caution and common sense must still prevail.

best regards, Richard.

Can't wait to be back on our boat on
the Broads.


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I haven't looked inside a typical modern Broads cruiser - it's decades since I even slept aboard a boat of any kind - but my memories of boating in the UK are of boats with fairly poor ventilation. We were more interested in trying to build up a nice warm fug most of the time, then opening all hatches a few times a day to introduce a bit of oxygen and get rid of engine and cooking fumes. Is some form of forced ventilation now either normal or  mandatory, or is pumping the bilges regularly the only standard routine for ensuring the boat doesn't fill up with CO2, let alone other dense toxic or inflammable gases like CO or butane? Actually, gas leaks can be explosive, not just flammable. I remember seeing a boat that had arrived in a Solent marina after a fairly heavy crossing from France, whose crew had, fortunately, gone ashore half an hour or so earlier. Nothing seemed amiss until you got close. The gas explosion had separated the hull and deck mouldings all the way round the boat...  

Grandpa Mike


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