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A recent BA mariners notice listed the closure of Thorpe Short Reach. A recent posting on the other side has mentioned the possibility of loosing moorings at Fishers Row. Neither of these places appear on the OS map of The Broads or any of the other maps I have. I am guessing these are old names for stretches of the river, which in many cases are only referred to locally.

The only way I was able to locate the two places mentioned above, was by reading through The Hamiltons Guide and then relating the reference to the hamiltons map, which again does not have the actual place names listed. Does anyone know of an older map still in publication, that would have such names listed?

In the case of the BA notice, I would have thought a lot of the visitors to the area, would struggle to identify the closed area, surely an OS reference would have been better?

Keith

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An interesting public question to put to the next NAVCOM committee meeting perhaps.

BIll...

'You may only be going from Loddon to Reedham Ferry but I still don't think that the power lead you have connected will be long enough' Bill...

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Mar-02-2006 @ 4:45 PM                           Permalink
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I think  you have a great idea there Keith,I would love to see a map of the Broads with all the old names for the various reaches printed,I would buy one for a start!

Does anyone know if one exists?

Cheers!
Dave

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Mar-02-2006 @ 4:47 PM                           Permalink
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I assume you have a 1:25,000 Explorer OS map? There's not much missing off those. "Thorpe Reach" is near Thorpe I take it? Where is "Fishers Row"?

Trevor

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Hi Trevor,

I have the OS Explorer OL40 The Broads at 1:25000 scale, and no mention of either of the two sites.

Hamilton's shows Thorpe Short Reach as being on the right hand side as you head towards Norwich, around and under Postwick Viaduct, which being closed would have meant no access to Norwich. In my mind I had pictured it as either being the river through Thorpe or the cut around Thorpe, therefore leaving a possible, at right tide alternate route to Norwich.

Fishers row is shown as being just past The Dutch Tea Gardens moorings, round the bend on the same side as you head towards Oulton Broad.

There is no official moorings there, although I think mooring is perfectly possible, the plan is to setback the bank in the same way as The New Cut, when the bank works are done.

Keith

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Old maps do exist, I have some! Hamilton's is pretty good though. One day I shall transfer all the old info onto a modern map, but the trouble is that the Ordnance Survey would want its cut if I were to publish.

I would like to see someone publish such a map, and Hamiltons is the obvious choice. Just let it be said that the publisher visits another Broads forum, he might like the idea, if someone else was to suggest it.

Yes, it needs to be raised at BA and Nav Com level. It is a valuable, and interesting part of the Broads heritage and shouldn't be lost.

Jenny Morgan, the watchfull eye!

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I haven't worked out how to do it, but you can "import GIS data" into Google Earth.
So members could post "GIS data" (whatever that is) into this forum, then some bright spark could assemble all that data into a file... and we could ask a friendly webmaster to make that file available in the downloads for us all to load into g.e.

As I understand it... one could then click on clicky things to navigate around these places (and I think see them named on the g.e. map.)

Hmm... the guide could have g.e. GIS data in each of its entries, and that could be put in the file and...
(OK, I'll shut up.)

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I find the only good solution at the moment is the combination of OL40 and Hamiltons. I wouldn't be on the river without both. Hamiltons contains so much information, both on the map and in the text, but it is just a chart of the river, and also hasn't been revised for a few years. OL40 has the detail and precision for the surrounding countryside, along with public rights of way, magnetic deviation and tthe National Grid. I'd love to see it all in one place, but can't see how it could happen.

Robin
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At one stage you could buy linear maps of the rivers similar to those in Hamilton's but better drwan and to a larger scale (May have been published by Stamfords or somebody) which were really good for boating. I have not seen them recently but certainly something on those lines marked with both all the formal and informal moorings and where BSEL have mucked things up would be very useful

'You may only be going from Loddon to Reedham Ferry but I still don't think that the power lead you have connected will be long enough' Bill...

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I have been in contact with the publishers of Hamiltons Navigations today, and the good news is that an updated version of the book is well underway. It sounds like no small job, but I look forward to reading it, once completed.

It sounds like the maps are to be turned into digital masters and then hopefully, some additional info added. With any luck anyway.

Keith

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