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Steve, I don't know how closely (if at all) you read the MAIB report, but it does mention that the boatowner in question is Gas Safe registered.

Unfortunately, however good a plumber and gas fitter he is, he was obviously not knowledgeable or experienced enough in mechanical engineering to appreciate that his installation was not fit for purpose.

This is actually a very good example of the Dunning-Kruger effect, the phenomenon that somebody who lacks the skills and knowledge to do a job properly, also lacks the insight to realise that they don't have the skills or knowledge to do the job properly. (It also has the corollary that somebody who is competent to do something will underestimate their level of skill - because it's simple for them, they think it must be simple for everyone.)

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Thanks for that most interesting link, Brendan.  I hadn't heard of the mechanism, but....

Having reviewed the contents it works for me on so many levels that I think I'm going to frame it on the wall and just point to it from time to time when I'm faced with the appropriate situation Smile

Both at home (for self) and at work (for those upstairs) Smile

The next stage will be to learn how to recognise the symptoms before something goes wrong...hands up, who hasn't been there?


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Hi Brendan, I'm at work and posted my message and this one on my phone. Not easy to trawl through a lengthy document on a tiny phone screen!!

Your reply doesn't surprise me though.

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Just another quick question when I first got my boat my mate who's a marine engineer and also a registered bss inspector made my boat have more ventilation than it had because apparently a full cooker had been added by the previous owner without any thing done about ventilation so now I have full and proper ventilation with  both smoke and CO alarms .my question is you can now get little gas heaters like the single gas ring wich runs of a replaceable gas cartridge are these safe to use in a saloon .because they use and send out no more gases than an ordinary fixed gas top.

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Hi Limbury,

Good stuff about the ventilation Smile

On the other hand, the gases given off by the portable heater jobbie would be the very least of my concerns.

There have been many recorded cases of these canister-powered-devices going up in excited fashion, so I wouldn't have one anywhere INSIDE the boat.  Bankside is probably OK as long as you stay a safe distance apart, but it's not going to be much use for heating from there!

If I ruled the world (as Harry Secombe used to say) these devices wouldn't be allowed anywhere on board unless it was on a concrete slab in the middle of a rowing boat - this from someone who regularly used two inside my own cabin, but have been lucky enough to learn from the misfortune of others.

Be safe, not sorry, as they don't take prisoners.

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Hi Cori I'm afraid i don't know your proper name,where did you get this info I'd be interested in reading it if possible or have you met someone who's experienced this ,I occasionally use the cartridge cooker on the bank but as I said you can now get the heater type ,cheers Rob or Lim.

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Lim there have been a number of incidents over the years, I witnessed one while fishing one day a few years ago fortunately the guy using it was doing so outside his Bivvie.
Here's one reprt I found
https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10151457624267121

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Please folks, don't use these things on your boat. I too have heard of a number of these devices causing accidents. They can go off in pretty spectacular fashion!

Steve. CM1

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For info....

http://www.boatsafetyscheme.org/stay-safe/fire-safety-for-boats/portable-gas-appliances/


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That was interesting I've not seen that before even though I've had bss Certs for the boat I bought my canister cooker when out inthe caravan to use out side with my cadac,so I definitely won't use it inside but I do keep the cartridges in the gas locker.

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