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Hi All, sorry if I sound a little bitchy on this one
but if you didn't want someone to moor along side
you during busy times then why oh why would you
choose to moor where there is expressly a sign
saying please double moor in busy times. Bye law 66
is even printed on the sign and, IMHO someone who is
moored here and then says you cannot moor alongside
is contravening that byelaw. I sail in the Solent
during some big regatta's and if you were not
prepared to have someone moor alongside then you
would be very unpopular...it can be 4 or more deep
sometimes !! Personally provided that the outside
boat is respectful then I do not see a problem, I
prefer the quieter times of year
but if you go to a busy mooring at a busy time then
what you see is what you get.

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Hi Darkhorse,
If you look at the lettering below where it says Stokesby,it says quite clearly that you must seek permission to moor alongside.
There is a big difference to cruising the Solent,I know people who moor at Lowestoft and if a boat hits another then insurance company info is exchanged.
When I was At the show yesterday and was looking around the Richardsons hire boat on display I overheard a conversation between a prospective customer and a Richardsons representative answering a question relating to insurance, the reply was along the lines of "no problem you bend them and we will fix it it's not a problem, don't worry about it".....

Lee

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I think the mind set of the sailing fraternity at
sea is slightly different to the mindset of us
Broads Boat owners. In these times of litigation
claims , who is going to allow someone to cross
their boat.     They could trip up, Fido could bark
at them or worse.   Then claim from you - no way.    
In an emergency no one would refuse anyone to lay up
beside them.      As has been said umpteen times ,
why should owners allow a load of drunks turning up
late and demanding that they moor against them, to
do so, if you agree with that scenario then you are
living in a dream world.

The matter was decided upon last year and that is ,
you have to ask first and not just assume that you
can lay along side anyone's boat for whatever
reason.    


In case new hirers are reading this - no you do not
have to move.




Women dont nag they just point
things out...



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"Please speak to the people on board the other boat about
mooring alongside before doing so"
Page 157....I'm sorry but that gives the impression that
it will be ok to moor alongside and just informing them
that you will be doing so!
In my opinion that should read:-
"Please ask the people on board the other boat if it's
ok to moor alongside before doing so"
This subject caused a huge amount of 'dialogue' in
2012 and was the reason that the BA changed their
stance on the idea.
There are certain groups of 'holiday makers' I don't
want mooring alongside us, and I don't need to go
into it further here.
Also there are certain types of craft that are unsuitable
to moor against due to their differing styles, such as
lack of walkways around the boat or even having the
stanchions with wire ropes through which can trip
up the unwary.(We had our stanchions bent last year
by someone using them to pull their much larger
boat alongside)
That's without having someone climbing about on your
boat after coming back late at night when you have
already gone to bed.
And before someone starts giving me grief over that
statement, I do allow it but it will be my choice not theirs.
I'm sorry Darkhorse but there's NO bylaw saying you
have to let them moor alongside or you have to move to on.

The older I get...
The better I was....!!

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Richardson's have actually made the booklet available to read online. Click here to read it.

And, yes, page 157 does read as Dzign has posted   Mad

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" I think the mind set of the sailing fraternity at
sea is slightly different to the mindset of us
Broads Boat owners. "

Almost but not quite totally correct Hylander. I think that if you had left out the "at sea" part it would have been pretty spot on.
Many Broads sailors (probably most) have sailed at sea too, got the all in it together culture, prefer it that way, so practise it on inland waters too.
Some Broads cruiser owners and many hirers buy into that culture too.

So overall visitors do stand a reasonable chance of getting a double mooring.

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I am genuinely surprised that anyone who has taken the time to look at this booklet doesn't have more positive things to say about it. Yes there is one inaccuracy, maybe even more, but on the whole it is a very well written advertisement for the area, with a lot of good useful advice. The one inaccuracy could well be a genuine mistake that Richardsons would appreciate having pointed out to them direct, rather than an attack on a forum, indeed not even the forum they regularly post on!!!

As usual the one negative gets given far more bad press than the many good points contained within the publication. Well done.

There is much good advice contained within the publication, which if read might just prevent some of the mishaps regularly seen during the season. Maybe even some pride and joys may go unscraped this year as a result of this guide.

Happy to support the honest and reliable pubs and businesses of The Norfolk Broads.

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With all due respect, the publication itself was not the topic of the thread, the incorrect information regarding double mooring (which created quite a storm not so long ago) was.

I only found and read the on-line version about an hour ago, but my previous post at 11.42 am today was, I thought, positive.

That said, the information issued by the BA to the boat hire industry in 2013 (see pdf attached to my 11.42am post) is not that which is stated in the Richardson's brochure. There is no excuse, except carelessness, for the inclusion of that misleading information in the brochure.

While the brochure might well be a clever and polished piece of advertising, I suggest that double mooring is more likely to be a bone of contention than where to dine/walk/fish/visit, so it deserves to be treated with a bit more accuracy.

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Bear in mind that the guide is aimed at hirers and reread it in the context of a hirer. It says "please speak to the people on board the other boat about mooring alongside before doing so" The last paragraph is Richardsons advice to their hirers, which is who the guide is aimed at. I don't see a problem with that if Richardsons don't mind.

The technical talk section contains some 22 pages of useful help and advice.

The guide is also free and even free to download.

I wonder how many people on here will download it via the link above, despite it's "inaccuracy"?

This thread may not have been started about the publication, but that doesn't mean that a thread couldn't have been started praising the publication. Instead having got all the way to page 157 someone then decided to start a negative post against Richardsons.



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Exile, I think that you will find most coastal boaters expect an exchange of insurance details and a competent repair being effected.. rather than the bodge up some people on this forum have been offered after damage has been caused to their boats by other craft.
Also telling people not to worry about bumps and damage to the boats as it will be sorted when the boat is returned and is not a problem...... this cannot be in any way helpful

Lee

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What happens when the people on the moored boat are not there to ask, not being funny just a question.

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can see it , it's still not there,the world
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