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In a new 160 page paper back book created by Richardsons and given out for free on the BA stand at the London boat show, they claim that if you don't want boats to double moor against you, you must "move on" (page 157 under double mooring, the last time I looked at the sign's they had been amended to say "with the owners permission".
Feel that this could create some friction at times, that it is badly worded and wrong (unless the BA have changed things yet again).
A quick look at the fishing section and they don't seem to have mentioned the need for a licence.


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Lee hi,

Attached is a pic I took at the beginning of October last year (2014).

Quote “Please reach agreement with those on board the other boat before mooring alongside”

Still seems a bit of a grey area to me.  What if someone won't agree. Confused

Sorry. Forgot to attach pic which is now on the next post.

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Sorry,

Forgot to attach pic Blush

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To be honest I think it's only good manners to check with the land side boat before mooring to it. They may want to leave shortly or even early morning and if your not around that leaves them with the problem of moving your boat to get out.
Just good old fashioned courtesy.

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From previous experience, it is not the first time that Richardsons have got it wrong.
They seem to excel at it, at this time of year.

Remember the publication, this time last year aimed at the younger ones, you had a game where you scored points for hitting another boat, or getting drunk, or being sick on board etc etc.

They eventually apologised and republished a calmer version after many complaints, and a lot from members on this forum.

This information looks like it is based on BA's rules from three years ago, which have been ammended to say, only with the other boats permission.
No moving off required. Unless BA have back peddled.  

Just to clarify, that double mooring can only be possible, if the boat coming along side is smaller or of the same size as the boat already moored, that is before permission is even considered.




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The issue of double mooring was comprehensively discussed in 2013, with a pretty good summary here , (but the link in the post no longer works, which is why I’ve reproduced the info from the current web page).

Dzign, a couple of questions. When was the booklet first printed and will you post a scan of the particular page? I’m thinking that the printing date was after the time the BA initially promulgated its policy of compulsory double-mooring, but before the change of that policy. Understandable if Richardson’s didn’t want the expense of a complete re-print, but hardly excusable. Have you spoken to Richardson's about this?

Richardson's web site contains a huge amount of helpful information and advice for boaters, and I think credit should be given for that, including, from one of their guides:

"If a river is wide you may moor against another boat (double mooring). Please always speak to the people on board the other boat before doing so and approach carefully against the tide and have a crew member ready with the ropes. Put the short lines to the other boat first and then use the long lines to also tie your boat to the shore."

And from another:

"Can I actually fish the fish?
Sure, as long as you’ve got a licence.
Remember the fishing season is closed between 15th March and 15th June."


From the Broads Authority’s web site:

"Double Mooring
Due to pressure on mooring spaces, we have designated 20 moorings for double alongside mooring. Each site has a sign stating that double mooring is permitted.

In consultation with the hire boat federation we have compiled the following Advice for hirers - Double Mooring (pdf document) [95kb] [See attachment]

Remember
•     Don't double moor without permission to tie up to the first boat.
•     A private boat mooring would be advised to have the bow and stern lines direct from the vessel to the shore - hire vessels do not have the same number or length of lines.
•     Always try and arrange for the boat leaving first to be on the outside but, if you are the inside boat and wish to move on, ask the crew on the outside boat to move. Remember to ensure the outside vessel is re-secured safely.  If the crew on the adjoining boat are unable to assist, keep a line ashore from their vessel and consider the tide or river flow before you plan the manoeuvre.
•     Crossing the first vessel to the bank is at your own risk and you may be held responsible for any damage."


It might be a good idea to print off a copy of the BA official guidance and keep it on board, just in case there is a friction point.

Or you could just allow someone to double moor against you, if they ask nicely   Smile

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text_Double_mooring_01_10_13.pdf

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Hi Paladine.
Sorry to busy to work out how to scan and send this but the book was published Jan 2015...
The actual wording is "if you are already moored at a Broads Authority 24 hour mooring which allows double mooring. You must allow another boat to moor alongside if there is insufficient room for other boats to moor alongside the bank, or you must leave the mooring"....
This could mean that if you are not happy with this situation that you may have to leave the moorings after a night in the Swan where you have may have drunk one or two to many

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Thank you, Dzign. That is clearly totally wrong information. Have you pointed this out to Richardson's?

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Hi All, sorry if I sound a little bitchy on this one
but if you didn't want someone to moor along side
you during busy times then why oh why would you
choose to moor where there is expressly a sign
saying please double moor in busy times. Bye law 66
is even printed on the sign and, IMHO someone who is
moored here and then says you cannot moor alongside
is contravening that byelaw. I sail in the Solent
during some big regatta's and if you were not
prepared to have someone moor alongside then you
would be very unpopular...it can be 4 or more deep
sometimes !! Personally provided that the outside
boat is respectful then I do not see a problem, I
prefer the quieter times of year
but if you go to a busy mooring at a busy time then
what you see is what you get.

The more I practice the luckier
I get.


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Hi Darkhorse,
If you look at the lettering below where it says Stokesby,it says quite clearly that you must seek permission to moor alongside.
There is a big difference to cruising the Solent,I know people who moor at Lowestoft and if a boat hits another then insurance company info is exchanged.
When I was At the show yesterday and was looking around the Richardsons hire boat on display I overheard a conversation between a prospective customer and a Richardsons representative answering a question relating to insurance, the reply was along the lines of "no problem you bend them and we will fix it it's not a problem, don't worry about it".....

Lee

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