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Anyone who attended that day knows Griff's e-mail address, if they don't he has kindly supplied it. If you want information, why don't you ask him? The fact that it all went wrong on the day seems mostly to be the tragic events of Friday, but there are valid points Griff is trying to get to the bottom of. I, personally, doubt the answers he desires will be forthcoming. There were other factors at play that resulted in members leaving, besides this issue, but that is their personal decision. Going over the same ground isn't getting us anywhere, and shows the forum in it's worst bickering, niggling mode. The answers will no doubt be circulated by Griff, if he gets any.

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I don't think my recent posts have been anything other than supportive of BroadAmbition's efforts to get his answers. He and I have had a very civilised and informative exchange. Some of my posts have been principally about the question of the ownership of, and responsibility for, the lock, not the actual CIC events, so I don't regard it as going over the same ground.

M_M, yes, we certainly do disagree on that point. I would probably take your comments more seriously if you made the same criticism of 'cheap snipes' on the other place as well, but you seem to accept them over there.

Actually, Regulo, I thought the discussions were progressing in a very friendly fashion, until...  Tinhat

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Steve 51 I completely agreeyou took the words right out of my mouth , paladines questions are completely relivent as well , let's not forget that a loss of life was the reason for the changes n that's something the organisers knew about on Friday , why didnt the sea trip go out and back in at yarmouth if it was do important to go to sea which in my mind it wasn't but that's my opinion.  The venue was moved causing the catering team the biggest headache but have u heard them complain no   , Yes its true such things take a lot of organising and for those that wanted to take part it sad that I didn't happen , a modified event took place be happy with that for heavens sake n if some people want answers as to what happened that day with the lock then fine ask them , what I personaly object to is the people who left this forum vowing never to return have done just that why ?? , this was never a NBF event in the first place so I personaly can't see the point in raking over old ground causing stupid arguments over. this subject ,any member who wants to know the outcome has the email address of the person who organised this trip use it please , and then we can those of us that didn't jump ship put this whole thing to rest

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Pally, If I see such snipes cheap or otherwise I would indeed criticize them as no, I have little time for such things.
It is against the 'T & S' over there to criticize other forums as many members are active on two or more
There are  some who feel that the two forums are in competition with each other, I do not see it that way. Yes there has been a parting of the ways between me and 'aspects' of this forum, though as I have said ever since, I do watch things here. I just prefer frequently not to post.

I know you well enough to know that when there is contention in the air you are interested only in verifiable facts. Opinions are only of interest to you if they are clearly stated as being such. This is one of the reasons I like to read your contributions to whichever forum. As you like to say, a fact is a fact. Saying it's a fact doesn't make it one. However, things are rarely so black and white. Surely it is not just the facts, it is the interpretation of those facts.

If we say I am not doubting the integrity of those involved in this issue, it stands that there is a written document stating that the lock was closed to Griff's flotilla but not to others. Surely then, it is reasonable for him to ask, Why? By whom? and on what authority? Equally it must be reasonable for him to demand replies to these questions. This I believe you agree with. I think it quite reasonable for him to post here and the other place any progress he makes with this enquiry. It would be far easier for him to post in this manner than to PM the individuals involved.

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Rickh ]what I personaly object to is the people who left this forum vowing never to return have done just that why ??

I don't recall anyone saying, hinting or implying that.



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M M  there's a written document to say that the lock was closed to that group ??? If there is I would want to know why too on less there's was good reason for it , surly this thread has run its cause and as I said some people left but chose to POP up as it suits and said there piece on the thread that followed on from this one some of which was bordering on slander , they subsequently took them selfs off n no longer wished to be part of this forum n some stated that , so being members of another forum why not post there ? Geoff np doubt has contact details for all the people involved surly s group email as to the results of any question being asked and answered is the way to go particularly if that person chose of his own free will to no longer participate here .
The vast majority of this forums membership most likely dont care a jot about this episode n even less so for the fact that on this very thread there are less than sympathetic messages after it became clear as to what  had happened the day before this event , I'm sure I'm not alone on the fact opinions of some amber changed I know mine did , the very way they were written implied a complete lack of empathy for the loss of life and only empathy for the loss of going to sea . Life is a one time event , its precious n far more so than a cruise to sea , I'm not putting you personaly in this group but some did post such things n that's shameful , this whole sorry mess should now be resolved by Griff as the organiser and those who were did to take part duly informed of the put come , as I said the vast majority have no interest at all ,  if comments were heard to be made n access was not alowed for wat ever reason then that deserves investigating but there is no need at all to speculate on open forum .

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rickh,

Well said, lets have an end to this.

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M_M, pm sent.

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Those of us that were not involved in this event and therefore know nothing about it (other than second hand reports or Chinese whispers) should keep well out of it and not comment at all. It is none of our business and I cannot see a single comment in this thread where a non participating poster has contributed anything positive whatsoever.

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Exile I'm sure I dont need to remind u that this is a open and public forum and the ones who decide that a post lives or dies ate the moderators and the administrator not the membership , in my posts iv asked for this matter ie the seagoing c in c to be delt with by email or pm yet for some reason u thinly I can't and shouldn't post that , that statement is my personal opinion and nothing more , if one chose to read the entire thread or followed it closely at the time then one gets a full insight into what occurred , in a way I agree that people not involved shouldn't comment but this is an open forum and there are people in place to control posts , I have not taken offence as to your post as u like me are a member and have an opinion but it is not a members position to direct people to not post there opinions , all I have asked for is those involved deal with this subject in private as it is of little or no interest to the vast majority of this open and public forum .  



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Nothing positive, Exile? I wonder how many forum members, or boaters generally, realise that:
a) the BA do not own Mutford Lock;
b) the Mutford Lock is not actually part of the Broads navigation area;
c) the BA are proposing to take over legal responsibility from the owners (ABP), by an agreed Harbour Revision Order;
d) the money the BA spends on the lock is considered to be 100% navigation spending;
d) "at some stage very significant sums of money will be needed to repair it, potentially in the order of £1 million" (source:Asset Management Strategy
Report by Chief Executive, Director of Operations and Asset Officer to the Navigation Committee 13 December 2012).

I knew none of this before the Mutford Lock issue was recently revived.

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