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Paladine
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BroadAmbition, I wish you luck with your campaign. It appears, though, that SEL would be answerable to the trustees of the parent charity (SLT), rather than Waveney District Council or the Broads Authority, neither of whom appears to have any direct connection with, or authority over, SEL. I would be very surprised if WDC or the BA would wish to become involved in this.



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Really Paladine?

Just for the record Mutford Lock ultimately comes under the control of the Broads Authority:

http://www.broads-au...ision-Order.pdf

Sentinel operate the Lock on behalf of the Authority thus this unfortunate affair does concern the Broads Authority. On the day, as far as they were concerned the Lock was fully operational.

I suppose this means you are very surprised now?

As for me being on a campaign, thanks for your support but - I just want honest and straight answers


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BroadAmbition, unfortunately the link you provided doesn't work for me. Links have a habit of either not working or becoming obsolete, so I prefer to post the actual document, if possible.

The latest document I have found regarding the BA and Mutford Lock relates to the proposal to make a Harbour Revision Order transferring the lock to the BA, which, according to the attached report, as of May 2014, had not yet been submitted to the Marine Management Organisation.

Am I correct in thinking you have a copy of the completed Order?

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text_Mutford-Lock-Harbour-Revision-Order_notes_May_2014.pdf
text_Mutford-Lock-Harbour-Revision-Order_notes_May_2014.pdf

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Surely the ultimate responsibility for the operation of an outsourced asset or public service remains with the outsourcing authority, at least that is what we were led to believe by the Local Government Ombudsman when we had cause to raise a complaint against a private company operating waste collection services. The local council told us to complain to the operator, numerous complaints led to no improvement so we got the ombudsman involved. They made it very clear that the authority were wholly responsible.

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Not saying your wrong BB but waste has specific legislation which defines the legal responsibility of certain organisations, so what applies to waste may not necesarily apply to other areas of life.

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Herewith the document Griff tried to link to - see attachment.


text_Mutford-Lock-Harbour-Revision-Order.pdf
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Boatboy, I don't disgree with you. The important thing is to establish who that authority might be.

As of May this year, the Harbour Revision Order, which would transfer responsibility to the BA, had not been sent to the Marine Management Organisation to be signed off. I have found no mention of it after that date in any BA minutes, so it doesn't appear to be the BA's responsibility.

Sentinel Enterprises Ltd, who operate the lock, is a trading arm of Sentinel Leisure Trust, which is a charity. So perhaps any complaint should be addressed to the Charity Commissioners.

But, as I understand it, the Trust was set up by, or on behalf of, Waveney District Council, so WDC might have the ultimate responsibility and a complaint to them and, if necessary, the Local Government Ombudsman, might be the way to go.

I have spent very little time researching this and have no access to correspondence, so I might have missed something important, but clearly much research needs to be done (or should have been done) to establish exactly who is responsible and what, if any, steps can be made through complaints procedures.


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Thank you, londonrascal. That document is a report to the Navigation Committee in 2010, proposing the Harbour Revision Order. As you will see from the document I posted earlier today, that Order had still not been finalised and sent to the MMO in May this year.

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Griff,
As I have only recently joined I am not aufait with what previously happened but would like to know if you are likely to run another CIC.ifso I like many would be extremely interested in a future cruise.
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"It was indeed SLT that volunteered direct to me that this would happen and that they would get to the bottom of the matter and let me know their findings"
Griff from the letter it appears Sentinel promised a full investigation but I can see nowhere where they promise to get back to you with their findings.
"Dear Mr Griffin

RE:  Oulton Broad Yacht Station

We would like to formally apologise to you and your party members for the fact that Sentinel have not delivered the services to the standard that we should be delivering to you and your party. As mentioned yesterday we would like to continue working with you in the future and Chris and I would be happy to meet/discuss next year’s event at the appropriate time to guarantee its success.  

I will be conducting a full investigation into this matter and will take the appropriate course of action.  


Rob Johnson
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It mearly says he will take the appropriate course of action.

Dave

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(This post is aimed at the skippers / crews of those that assembled for the salty bottom cruise on 12th July this year)

Regards John



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